not starting another thread about league structure. But is this the direction we will have to eventually face? London good as gone and unless some has 30million to spend they will never truly be safe, Bradford in financial troubles again and Wakefield and Castleford still don't have new stadiums and no doubt will face the annual "we are Struggling".

will it be boring with just 10 teams? or can we cope and strengthen the commercial side of superleague for a couple of years and then start the expansion when the RFL can financial back clubs if they struggle?

Cut teams and reality is that you're cutting dozens of full-time RL players and coaches who will either go to another sport or just give the game away.

Let go of the London toehold and SL may aswell ask for Sky to cut the broadcast rights in half...

ten teams may be required in the short term then expand properly with a wales, toulouse and london side in the future when the game can afford it and gets TV deals linked to expansion.

A ten team comp isn;t exactly appealing though unless they cut the number of fixtures, who wants to play a team 3 or 4 times in one season? in theory you could end up playing another team up to 6 times in a year!

10 teams would be too few. In fact SL already has too few teams from a supporters perspective.

I dont believe that myth. They have been virtually none existent for 4 years and sky are still around, in their present condition they offer nothing more than a punchline to a joke. I would like nothing more than London to be the equivalent of what Melbourne are to the NRL but they aren't and to just keep drip feeding them and praying it sorts it self out just wont cut it.

personally i don't want a ten team comp but its the only way super league wont be worrying about who goes bust next.

A 10 team is stupid, we are talking abought the best game in the world do not cut it now, it should have been done at the start of super league and each year or every 2 years add 1 or more teams once the league got stronger to do it now would be

the best game in the world maybe to us but clubs have smaller budgets than championship footballing clubs. At the moment if a club has a couple of bad months of turnover they are close to the brink its ridiculous. In my opinion superleague needs to be dropped and a whole overhaul of the organization needs to happen to build towards some as at the moment its like hanging on with fingernails!!.

Also realistically there is only 10 teams who are in a financial position to grow and get stronger.

10 teams?

I'd suggest only half a dozen SL clubs are currently viable and... apart from Wigan and Leeds... those other 'viable' clubs viability is dependent upon the largesse of their sugar daddy.

NO NO AND NO

[uTranslation[/u: A 10 team SL doesn't provide enough whipping boy SL rabble opposition for Leeds Rhinos to flat-track bully during the regular season.

yep a ten team sl is future for European RL.i would let it be known that this is the direction we're going in and it will be introduced in 2017

Catalan,Toulouse, 1 more French club.
London.
wigan
warrington
st helens
leeds
hull
huddersfield

That would give the RFL/RLEF £4.5 million ish to assist london and the two new french clubs with there development for 3 or 5 years,after that they're on there own, and the money then goes towards assisting new franchises from any new areas that come forward.

just so people don't get me wrong i would love for all the clubs in super league to be profitable and competing but they just aren't and the longer it goes on the longer it will take to fix.

Don't forget to retain the Top 8 play-off system in a 10 team SL comp. It's important to maintain the interest and intensity of all SL clubs throughout the regular season.

That is going too far. Salford need a spot so Koukash can spend his money, and so do Hull KR,

I would have:

[iWigan
St Helens
Warrington
Salford

Leeds
Bradford
Hull FC
Hull KR
Huddersfield

London

Catalans
Toulouse[/i

That is 12 clubs, which is a realistic number for 2015.

However we shold work to expand in France and southern England and Wales over the coming years.


We go to 14 clubs with [iAvignon/Vaucluse [/iand [iSheffield[/i in 2018

We go to 16 with [iLondon II [/iand [iNorth Wales[/i in 2018


[uA 16 team Super League:[/u

[iWigan
St Helens
Warrington
Salford

Leeds
Bradford
Hull FC
Hull KR
Huddersfield

Sheffield

London Broncos
London Storm

North Wales Crusaders

Catalans
Toulouse
Avignon[/i




We go to 18 with [iParis[/i and [iSouth Wales [/iin 2021

We go to 20 with [iLyon[/i and [iOxford[/i or [iCoventry[/i in 2024

We go to 24 with [iOxford[/i or [iCoventry [/i, [iMille[/i, [iNorth Italy[/i and [iBarcelona[/i in 2027


Once we reach 24 each club plays each other club once, with home and away draws alternating each year.

welcome back William, we missed you.

Thanks.

It was never my intention to waste 6 weeks on these forums while there was a RLWC tournament on my doorstep to attend.

I suspect my next attendance fix at pro-level will be down under in 2014. It won't be Super League, that's for sure.

I agree about Koucash but he needs to deliver before he should be trusted,if they grow off and on the field between now and 2016 ,then make SLE an 11 team comp.

HKR arent needed.What is needed in that region is a school of excellence and 20k plus packed in the KC every other week.bradford arent needed for the same reason with regards to leeds & huddersfield

Its not ten full time teams it would be 20 over two divisions with p&r

That increases the number of players and creates an elite whilst creating the ambition to be part of that elite for those both inside and out.

27 fixtures, 13 home games plus magic. Top 5 play off.

SL2 would get access to about £600k with diluting SL1 or any extra Sky/TV income, and consist of bottom 4 current SL, 5 Championship and Toulouse. Min standards of ground must apply ie be fit for SL, and a min salary spend of £1m to a max of 50%

2x12/3x8 is better than we have but 2x10 makes complete sense

I know the end of the RL world has been nigh for decades, but... I am concerned that something has to give soon. The flat cap was set more than a decade ago and hasn't gone up since. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... -1.8m.html That is (very roughly), something like 30% cut in real terms. Despite keeping such a tight rein on labour costs, most clubs continue to struggle or rely heavily on benefactors. If clubs and the sport as a whole can't raise more revenue, an adjustment needs to be made. None of the options are particularly palatable, but nor is stumbling from one crisis to another.

I know the end of the RL world has been nigh for decades, but... I am concerned that something has to give soon. The flat cap was set more than a decade ago and hasn't gone up since. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... -1.8m.html That is (very roughly), something like 30% cut in real terms. Despite keeping such a tight rein on labour costs, most clubs continue to struggle or rely heavily on benefactors. If clubs and the sport as a whole can't raise more revenue, an adjustment needs to be made. None of the options are particularly palatable, but nor is stumbling from one crisis to another.

It would if we had anywhere near 20 clubs capable of being SL clubs. But we don’t, so the 2nd tier would just become a rebranded championship and the 4 teams demoted from SL would fall to the level of the 6 they join.

No it wouldn't, it would be a vibrant FT comp populated by the ambitious. The championship is a part time comp that is becoming more reliant on SL shirt tails to field teams whilst its crowds dwindle as there is nothing meaningful to play for.

The promised new structures for 2015 allowed the ambitious clubs to generate the cash to improve the squad for 2014, Fax, Fev and Leigh have upped the ante already, with the grounds at Fax and Leigh already much better equipped for SL than those they would strive to replace in 2016.

Elite must be elite.

and the likes of Leigh, Halifax and Fev are in no way whatsoever set up to be elite. If Leigh were to be promoted in 2016 they would be no more set up to be elite than they were in 2005.

Leigh, Fax or Fev are nto much better equiped than anyone except London (at the moment) They are three clubs in three areas which have never been able to sustain full time sport. sticking them in 'super league lite' isnt going to change that

If the only meaning in the lower levels is to get out of the lower levels then they are already beyond hope.

If you weren't so clueless I would respond, instead I will buy a big issue and think of you.

If you werent so clueless you would be able to .