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| A few of the fans on our board (including myself) believe Sam Tomkins deserves to be this years MOS. Who do the neutrals and fans of other clubs believe has been the best player this season?
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| Heart says Monaghan or Roby, Head says Tompkins
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| Quote ="Wire_in_Wigan"Heart says Monaghan or Roby, Head says Tompkins'"
Very honest of you.
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| Sam Tomkins.
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| I would love to see Rangi get it for obvious reasons but i cant see past James Roby.
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| Should be Rangi, perhaps Roby, but its going to be Tomkins
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| James Roby is my vote for the Man of Steel. Look at his performances and his stats throughout the season. A man mountain, a machine. He smashed his face in, still played.
Roby is averaging 195m per game and 40 tackles. He is top metre maker in Super League and only 4 behind Houghton in tackles made in Super League. That workrate is absolute insanity and he's so far ahead of his peers in his position it's untrue.
Tomkins has done well since he started to focus on playing rugby rather than cheating however and deserves whatever accolades he does get.
It's hard to compare a hooker in a side struggling to keep pace at the top with mass injury problems to a fullback for a side at the top winning a lot of games easily. However I don't think it's possible to play any better than Roby is doing. He's been incredible this season.
But the MOS award is a farce now it's being voted for by the players. So instead of being awarded by people who watch a good 50% of the games, it's judged on two performances against you by the players and has become nothing more than a sickly popularity contest.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"James Roby is my vote for the Man of Steel. Look at his performances and his stats throughout the season. A man mountain, a machine. He smashed his face in, still played.
Roby is averaging 195m per game and 40 tackles. He is top metre maker in Super League and only 4 behind Houghton in tackles made in Super League. That workrate is absolute insanity and he's so far ahead of his peers in his position it's untrue.
Tomkins has done well since he started to focus on playing rugby rather than cheating however and deserves whatever accolades he does get.
It's hard to compare a hooker in a side struggling to keep pace at the top with mass injury problems to a fullback for a side at the top winning a lot of games easily. However I don't think it's possible to play any better than Roby is doing. He's been incredible this season.
But the MOS award is a farce now it's being voted for by the players. So instead of being awarded by people who watch a good 50% of the games, it's judged on two performances against you by the players and has become nothing more than a sickly popularity contest.'"
I think the MoS vote is one of those occasions where you can't really use statistics as an argument. Comparing carries/metres/tackles that a hooker makes compared to a fullback just doesn't work.
Instead I normally try and think of instances where a player has produced a brilliant piece of individual skill to turn a match, whether it be in defense or attack. I think consistency also comes into the equation somewhere.
For me Sam Tomkins should win the award this year. Roby is not far behind though, both amazing players.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"But the MOS award is a farce now it's being voted for by the players. So instead of being awarded by people who watch a good 50% of the games, it's judged on two performances against you by the players and has become nothing more than a sickly popularity contest.'"
I cannot think of a better group of people to judge the man of steel than the players themselves
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| Hard to look beyond Tomkins. The lad's a fantastic player.
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| Tomkins for me too - with Roby then Chase the other major contenders
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| Quote ="Dunbar"I cannot think of a better group of people to judge the man of steel than the players themselves'"
I can.
The players are all very cliequey and you won't get a valid result from a poll of players. For example Sam Tomkins is very popular amongst the Saints players, regularly attending barbeques and such like. He's going to get votes from them because they are good mates with him.
I think they should trial a fans vote to see who would win it that way. Can't vote for your own team and done via an email response system with season ticket holders.
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| I've voted for James Roby, but I think Sam Tomkins will get it.
For me, Roby has carried an injury-depleted Saints team through this season. Saints' main strength is their speed and power around the ruck and if it weren't for Roby I fear Saints would be in a position like Leeds.
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| Two horse race between Tomkins and Chase with Tomkins deservedly odds on.
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| Quote ="Chorlton RL"Should be Rangi'"
Pfff he can't even kick a drop goal from bang infront...
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I can.
The players are all very cliequey and you won't get a valid result from a poll of players. For example Sam Tomkins is very popular amongst the Saints players, regularly attending barbeques and such like. He's going to get votes from them because they are good mates with him.
I think they should trial a fans vote to see who would win it that way. Can't vote for your own team and done via an email response system with season ticket holders.'"
Are you joking???? Judging from some of the posts on here, a lot of the fans get their facts about players and the game from Stevo.
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| MOS Sam Tomkins. Can't see past him. Outside chance, in this order, Chase, O'Loughlin, Roby, Westwood, or Monaghan.
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"Are you joking???? Judging from some of the posts on here, a lot of the fans get their facts about players and the game from Stevo.'"
Thats why I'm suggesting trialling it. Have it as a seperate award initially and if the results show the fans are voting consistently for the best players, hand the MOS votes to the people that matter.
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| Having a fans player of the year is a perfectly fine idea but how on earth can you say that the players can’t pick the Man of Steel due to favouritism and then suggest the fans do it?
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| For me Tomkins should probably win MOS but I would love it if Roby won obviously.
If Roby did win MOS them Wiganers would be going mad because of what happened to Trent Barrett a few years ago which included a certain James Roby.
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| I totally understand why people would vote for Roby and Chase. Both have been fantastic.
Roby is Englands best hope for this seasons internationals IMO. For the first time I have hope that we could spend bigger parts of the game on the front foot. He has carried an average saints side at times and his stats are impossible to argue with. What a player. I still think him and Sam Tomkins are the only 2 seriously world-class players in super league. However, Roby does not win games with a single play like Tomkins does, Roby is effective by being consistant, for that reason Tomkins gets noticed more and that is why I think he will win it, NOT because I think he is actually a better player. Both fantastic, both different.
Roby is the one player in world rugby I would love in our team right now, hooker is still our weakest area and Roby is the best England have had for a long time IMO. Finally though, I seriously do not think Roby deserved to be MOS in 2007, so I would love to see Tomkins get it this season. Roby can have it next year.
Chase also has all the talent like Tomkins but unfortunatly plays in a team currently around mid table. The records show that a team so low down rarely has a player winning MOS.
I am shocked nobody tried to throw more names into the hat. My initial selection must have been half decent.
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| for me 'Man Of Steel' has always implied something beyond the normal skillfull, try scoring, flashy associations of player of the year. for me it should go to the one who literally has been Man Of Steel all season, the one who has played on when injured, worked his ass off in every regard, made the hard yards, made the tired yards, made the tackles week in week out. The one who has lead the charge without fail so to speak. in short the one who has shown 'Steel'. in that regard it has to Roby.
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| I went for Roby, narrowly from Monaghan.
It's odd but it's partly down to the naming. Man Of Steel for me implies the most important and hardest working member of a team, who also consistently plays at a high level, and who the purists know the team would be much easier to beat without. Nowadays that's invariably a 9 (T.Leuluai and Buderus also stand out, but Roby and Monaghan stand out more), or in previous years a prop like Graham or Peacock.
If it was called "Player of the Year" instead, it would be easier to vote for a fancy back like Tomkins or Chase. A winger getting MoS last year was an absolute travesty, they shouldn't even be on the ballot
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Don't laugh it's true. As a kid Sam was one of those who cried for his Mum to buy him a computer game. He'd get it, costing half his Mum's benefits and he's look in the magazines for cheats about how to finish it. He's type the code in and be at the end of the game watching the cut scenes and credits. He'd sit back and smile to himself. He applied the same approach to his rugby too until recently. Why run down a field when you can take a tackle and trap a defenders arm and get Pat to kick it 50 metres down field?
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