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I can hand on heart say I am proud of the England team today, yes there are players who aren't up to international quality but they went out and played a strong and honest brand of rugby league and got completely on top of the Aussie pack only to have a series of contentious decisions go against us. I don't think the Australia team of referees had many tough decisions to make at all in the game but somehow managed to bring our game into disrepute once more. I feel sorry for the honest Australian public who now have a victory of no substance to celebrate. I couldn't care less about the rest of the tour, I hope the team enjoy the rest of their time as a holiday and go out and enjoy a win against PNG and rub it in the Australian journalists noses. If the RFL had a pair of balls they could pull the team out of the final game as there is nothing good to come out of the game for us except our honest lads getting stick and uneccesary pressure from ex-con journalist s ahead of the game. Unfortunately the RFL is deep-throating the Australian Rugby League Board to such an extent they cannot notice that they don't have a pair. I saw a post earlier stating that the Aussies are moaning about the lack of competition at international level which beggars belief why their s start nipping when they get into a tough game and the procession of the use of the Benifit of the Doubt to Australia rule comes into play. You can have your victory but you have nothing to be proud of, we have several good honest young lads in our team and you have the likes of the pathetic excuse of human life Paul Gallen to be proud of. Waste of human life like Sam Thaiday and Anthony Watmough in the team. Scum sacked by the ARU in Tuquri. The most pathetic thing is Aussie's trying to justify some of the pathetic calls and parrot throat Lockyer having the audacity to question the referee, absolutely pathetic. I would eat my own hat if an Australian was to come out on here and admit that they were gifted the game by the officials but unfortunately the steel reinforced bubble they live in will be too strong for them to pop out and face reality.
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I can hand on heart say I am proud of the England team today, yes there are players who aren't up to international quality but they went out and played a strong and honest brand of rugby league and got completely on top of the Aussie pack only to have a series of contentious decisions go against us. I don't think the Australia team of referees had many tough decisions to make at all in the game but somehow managed to bring our game into disrepute once more. I feel sorry for the honest Australian public who now have a victory of no substance to celebrate. I couldn't care less about the rest of the tour, I hope the team enjoy the rest of their time as a holiday and go out and enjoy a win against PNG and rub it in the Australian journalists noses. If the RFL had a pair of balls they could pull the team out of the final game as there is nothing good to come out of the game for us except our honest lads getting stick and uneccesary pressure from ex-con journalist s ahead of the game. Unfortunately the RFL is deep-throating the Australian Rugby League Board to such an extent they cannot notice that they don't have a pair. I saw a post earlier stating that the Aussies are moaning about the lack of competition at international level which beggars belief why their s start nipping when they get into a tough game and the procession of the use of the Benifit of the Doubt to Australia rule comes into play. You can have your victory but you have nothing to be proud of, we have several good honest young lads in our team and you have the likes of the pathetic excuse of human life Paul Gallen to be proud of. Waste of human life like Sam Thaiday and Anthony Watmough in the team. Scum sacked by the ARU in Tuquri. The most pathetic thing is Aussie's trying to justify some of the pathetic calls and parrot throat Lockyer having the audacity to question the referee, absolutely pathetic. I would eat my own hat if an Australian was to come out on here and admit that they were gifted the game by the officials but unfortunately the steel reinforced bubble they live in will be too strong for them to pop out and face reality.
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Amen to that!
I have to agree and say that I am pleased with the effort and committment shown by the team. We never rolled over and took a spanking like everyone (including me) was saying would end up happening. I thought we gave both the Kiwis and the Aussies a cracking run for their money - a couple of decisive decisions and better ball retention and we might have been in the final. Although, I agree with Tim Sheens that we need our best side available to make it. A fully fit England squad and I would have been very confident we could do some damage.
Interesting to find out what everyone's best England side would be. Mine would have been:
1. Sam Tomkins
2. Peter Fox
3. Martin Gleeson
4. Chris Bridge
5. Tom Briscoe
6. Leon Pryce
7. Kyle Eastmond
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Jamie Peacock
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Sam Burgess
13. Sean O'loughlin
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14. Kevin Sinfield
15. Adrian Morley
16. Eorl Crabtree/Stuart Fielden
17. Ben Westwood/Joel Tomkins
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Interesting to find out what everyone's best England side would be. Mine would have been:
1. Sam Tomkins
2. Peter Fox
3. Martin Gleeson
4. Chris Bridge
5. Tom Briscoe
6. Leon Pryce
7. Kyle Eastmond
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Jamie Peacock
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Sam Burgess
13. Sean O'loughlin
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14. Kevin Sinfield
15. Adrian Morley
16. Eorl Crabtree/Stuart Fielden
17. Ben Westwood/Joel Tomkins'"
Starting line-up:
1. Sam Tomkins
2. Darrell Goulding
3. Michael Shenton
4. Chris Bridge
5. Chris Riley/Tom Briscoe
6. Leon Pryce
7. Kyle Eastmond
8. Jamie Peacock
9. James Roby
10. Adrian Morley
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Sam Burgess
13. Sean O'Loughlin
14. James Graham
15. Eorl Crabtree
16. Ben Westwood
17. Kevin Sinfield
Rest of 24-man squad:
Briscoe/Riley - cover wings
Gleeson - cover centres
McGuire - cover halves
Robinson - cover hooker
Fielden - cover prop
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I don't know how anyone could justify leaving Ben Westwood out of the England team.
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I thought England can take a lot of heart from this tournament. We haven't got enough depth to manage without so many injured stars.
My 17 based on this tournament and injured players:
Tomkins
Briscoe
Shenton
Cudjoe
Goulding / Fox / Hall
Pryce
McGuire
Graham
Roby
Peacock
Burgess
Ellis
O'Loughlin
Sinfield
Crabtree
Fielden
Morley
I think that 17 would have really had a chance.
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1 Tomkins
2 Briscoe
3 Gleeson
4 Shenton
5 Hall
6 Pryce
7 Eastmond
8 Graham
9 Roby
10 Peacock
11 Burgess
12 Ellis
13 O'Loughlin
14 Sinfield
15 Westwood
16 Fielden
17 Morley
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| Quote ="bigMAL" You can have your victory but you have nothing to be proud of, we have several good honest young lads in our team and you have the likes of the pathetic excuse of human life Paul Gallen to be proud of. Waste of human life like Sam Thaiday and Anthony Watmough in the team. Scum sacked by the ARU in Tuquri. '"
And your problem with these players is? I can't remember any controversy surrounding Gallen, allegations about Thaiday were made up by an attention-seeking female. Fair enough Watmough once said something stupid whilst drunk but not exactly crime of the century.
And let's not forget that we could well have had a player with plenty of convictions on the field if not injured, one conviction being for the assault of a female.
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Tomkins
Fox
Shenton
Bridge
Hall
Mcguire
Eastmond
Morley
Roby
Peacock
Ellis
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Sinfield
Burgess
Graham
O'Loughlin
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Can't believe people are leaving Westwood & Bridge out!
Englands best 17:
1. Sam Tomkins
2. Ryan Hall
3. Chris Bridge
4. Martin Gleeson
5. Tom Briscoe
6. Kyle Eastmond
7. Danny McGuire
8. Adrian Morley (C)
9. Kevin Sinfield
10. James Peacock
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Ben Westwood
13. Sean O'Laughlin
14. James Roby
15. James Graham
16. Sam Burgess
17. Eorl Crabtree
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Good player, one of the top backrowers in the league. Form suffered because he's had to play wherever Saints required him but still a good player |
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With Archer as ref and Clark as VR none of those team would have a prayer!
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| Glad my rant has lead to some positive discussion! Giving the younger players a chance this tour means that at least next time round we have a bigger pool of players with international experience to choose from, can't be a bad thing, will create some healthy competition for a few places in the side. It goes without saying that we don't have the depth of the Australian's have but there are several young lads who have had a taste of international rugby and hopefully this can help motivate them to keep working hard and developing their games to keep themselves involved on the international scene. There is a good balance in this team and there seams to be no real egos in the team, perhaps bar Ryan Atkins who by some accounts is a bit of a playboy.
Looking ahead I think the two positions in need of most attention are for another centre to go alongside Shenton and a creative scrum half with a good kicking game. I have put together a list of players I feel are in contention for each position looking to the future:
Full Back: Sam Tomkins, Leroy Cudjoe
Wings: Peter Fox, Darrel Goulding, Ryan Hall, Richard Owen, Tom Briscoe, Lee Smith
Centres: Michael Shenton, Chris Bridge, Martin Gleeson, Ryan Atkins, Josh Charnley, Michael Lawrence
Halfbacks: Gareth Widdop (he will be most likely featuring for Melbourne at 6), Kyle Eastmond, Leon Price, Danny Mcguire, Luke Robinson, Kevin Brown, Danny Brough, Richie Myler
Props: James Graham (hopefully with NRL experience), Jamie Peacock, Adrian Morley, Sam Burgess, Eorl Crabtree, Bryn Hargreaves, Liam Watts, Louis McCarthy Scarsbrook
Hooker: James Roby, Shaun Lunt, Michael McIlorum, Scott Moore
Second Row: Gareth Ellis, Joel Tomkins, Gareth Hock, Ben Westwood, Elliot Whitehead, Ben Harrison (would benefit his career massively to go to NRL), Joe Westerman
Loose Forward: Kevin Sinfield, Sean O'Loughlin
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People leaving ben Westwood out?? Englands player of the tournament so far for me. Why mcbanana took him off today along with burgess and Graham baffles me, they were tearing in to the Aussies in both attack and defence and they have great work rates and big engines. I sometimes think some coaches spell players just because it's the done thing and they don't look at what's happening at the time they're planning on making the sub.
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If I were the captain of England I would have got my team and walked off the field.The bias given to the Aussies was unbelievable.
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| Quote ="manly4ever"If I were the captain of England I would have got my team and walked off the field.The bias given to the Aussies was unbelievable.'"
Y'know, when dyed-in-the-wool Ockers like you come on and say things like that, it just seals the deal for me. I haven't seen such unashamed bias from home officials since several cricket teams toured Pakistan in the '80's. |
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| Quote ="Sexual Deviant"Y'know, when dyed-in-the-wool Ockers like you come on and say things like that, it just seals the deal for me. I haven't seen such unashamed bias from home officials since several cricket teams toured Pakistan in the '80's.'" Get a grip will you.I've been saying this all along.
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| Quote ="manly4ever"Get a grip will you.I've been saying this all along.
Go the Kiwis now.'"
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| Quote ="cjhatesunion"Can't argue with that mate,you have always supported a strong international game but I have to admit some of them decisions this morning was shocking.
'" Thanx mate.If anything It''s not England that's killing the international game like one of the threads that's going around,It's the Aussies that are killing it BIG TIME with bias reffing like we saw yesterday. |
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"People leaving ben Westwood out?? Englands player of the tournament so far for me. Why mcbanana took him off today along with burgess and Graham baffles me, they were tearing in to the Aussies in both attack and defence and they have great work rates and big engines. I sometimes think some coaches spell players just because it's the done thing and they don't look at what's happening at the time they're planning on making the sub.'"
It was noticable that both Graham and Burgess, after being replaced around the usual 20minute were re-introduced before halftime, and the England side steadied. |
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| Quote ="manly4ever"Get a grip will you.I've been saying this all along.'"
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I am a pom... and I have lived in aus for over 2 years...
and watched the NRL first hand and I have 2 things to say about yesterdays game...
1) I was embarrassed!... call the officials all you like but the attack should never have been in that position.. appaling defending all through the game
2) the aussie team never played at more than half pace... those players and the team have several gears extra...
dont delude yourselves the game in england is falling worryingly behind the rest of the world.
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Cheers, underground. You and a few other Poms have not let emotion overrule perception.
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| Quote ="The Clan"I don't know how anyone could justify leaving Ben Westwood out of the England team.'"
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