Yorkshire vs Lancashire Origin series with tickets included with the purchase of any season ticket.

1 game series as a selection tool for the 2012 England vs ANZAC Allstars.

Gives England players the chance to go into camp with different players, experiencing new environments, playing infront of capacity crowds at the likes of the Millenium Stadium, Murrayfield, Elland Road, Old Trafford or Twickenham.

England would benefit from this massively with a real intense origin game, the RFL would get a proper showpeice event that would enable them to gain more partners, companies and money into the game, the likes of Ben Harrison get to see if they can cut it for their adopted county and the players would get to focus on a proper test in the new War of the Roses Origin series.

1 game series, with this fixture replacing the Magic weekend so no additional fixtures. Selected players stood down the week before to ensure top condtioning of players. Free tickets as part of your rugby league season ticket ensures a full house. Yorkshire vs Lancashire (and the rest) ensures a real intense rivalry both on and off the pitch. Selection for the match around a month later against the ANZAC Allstars up for grabs and also the Four Nations.

A viable, workable and worthwhile plan?

Given how only a few people recognise Lancashire as anything bar a cricket team and a county around Blackburn, I can't see there ever being enough passion in it when only one side is bothered.

It'd be the same rubbish, pathetic crowd and injury pullouts all over the shop.

Lancashire could very readily be replaced by the North West. Think many fans of St Helens, Wigan and Warrington are very proud of where they come from in the world. Rugby League fans aren't slow to turn down a freebie either.

Speak for yourself .....some of us are very proud to be Lancastrian.

I like the idea, but the previous Yorkshire V Lancashire games didn't generate much excitement, and where would the likes of LMS, & Tony Clubb fit in. I seem to remember Dom Peters becoming an honorary Lancastrian last time.

A mid season international of England V Anzac all stars would be a great idea. A selection of the best Australian and New Zealanders plying their trade in the Superleague would be a better test for England than the usual walk-overs against France or Wales.

Would it be based on where you were born or on where you played your first pro rugby (a la origin). If it is on birth what do prospective internationals born outside lancashire/yorkshire (presumably you mean the old boundries as Wigan is in Greater Manchester, St Helens in Merseyside and Warrington in Cheshire)? If it's on where you played your first club rugby what about quins players?

No rom for Cumbrians like Ade Gardner or Rob Purdham?

Hmm why?

If every season ticket holder gets in for nowt how would it make any money?

Why can't they use something more modern like WEST Origins v EAST Origins instead of the outdated old Lancashire v Yorkshire.

I agree with Judder. Then it includes all of the areas. Cumbria, Wales, London the lot.

Because no-one cares about being from the East or the West, that's why it wouldn't work.

For an event to work, you need to have a large amount of people that have some kind of attachment or allegiance to a team (or the event itself). Things like "East vs West" won't achieve this. Yorkshire vs Lancashire will only interest those from the north, and very few from the North West (due to boundary changes affecting who considers themselves from where these days). "Possibles vs Probables" and "two coaches pick..." again, who do you support? Who do you attach yourself to?

It's important to have trial games, I agree. But this is why people have international friendlies. If you want to test players out, let them play for England against a lower nation. Doesn't have to be for an international cap all the time. People have an allegiance to the teams in question then. This is what the club sides do.

If you want to test your strongest players, you need appropriate competition. Unfortunately, over here there is limited options for that.

We will probably never have an Origin type match on the scale of the Aussies because we don't have defined boundaries that people care about enough to support in large enough numbers to simulate the test arena. The only way we can simulate this is by building up the England team and giving them regular opponents.

Possibly the worst idea I've ever read on these boards.

So where will be the central point by which you determine east and west?

Castleford is west of Hull.. so do they come under 'west' or 'east'?

Bradford looks pretty central... so are they classed as east or west?

Warrington is east of Wrexham... yet its west of Leeds

In the spirit of being pendantic. There should be no Yorkshire representative team either, since in 1974 Yorkshire ceased being an unified county in its own right.

So, you would have technically the following counties in the present day; West Yorkshire where most ex-Yorkshire teams are based, plus Hull FC/KR from East Riding Of Yorkshire. Those counties being distinct from one another and no way connected in any modern official sense.

Put it this way, in a hypothetical situation, where Merseyside and Lancashire were at war with each other. I would defer and help kick its backside back into the mersey.

If you use the left hand side of your brain this will tell you West is predomitely Cumbria, Lancashire, Cheshire and Wales, whilst swopping over to the right hand side of your brain this will tell you East giving you Yorkshire, London Area.

If we want to have proper representative rugby at county/origin level then it needs to be persisted with. SOO in Oz only had 1 game in 1980 and 81. Even after that the crowds weren't consistently large. It's only in the early 90's that crowds regularly reached over 30,000 for every game.[url=http://www.nswrl.com.au/default.aspx?s=soo_historySource[/url

Now look at it, arguably the biggest sporting series in Oz which admittedly is never something we could achieve here with wendyball as predominant sport and others ahead in terms of TV coverage etc.

I personally would love to see our game doing this at least to the same intensity as high level Super League games on an annual basis. Maybe it would then give us an opportunity to compete with the Australians, hell maybe even PNG

County games need to be persisted with, and allowed to grow as a meaningful fixture as has been said.

People harp on about poor crowds, but I remember the last game played at Headingly in these fixtures, 12000 midweek. If thats not a good crowd - again for a midweek, meaningless fixture, then what do you want?

Slot in in the weekend for Magic Weekends (which havent been allowed to prove themselves yet, we get one bad weekend in the worst recession in generations and people want to call it a failure) and give it the billing and marketing full bore and its a winner.

but then again, RL fans on the main want to seem to call things a failure before they've started, its a wonder we made it this long.

And here lies the crux of the problem.

Who pays for this event?

At the moment we have an event which the RFL "sells" the rights to a particular city's tourist board, using some of that money to subsidise ticket prices. Now you're proposing to replace that event with something that the RFL can't sell (as, presumably, we'll be keeping it in our back yard) and where the game's core audience is being admitted free of charge.

If we're going along this route my take would be to make it "us" vs everyone else. Therefore if the match was in Yorkshire it would be Yorkshire vs the best of the rest of SL. If in Lancashire it would be Lancashire vs.....etc etc with a varying home venue generating the home side....so France and Wales could be added to the party (as could Cumbria).

We should have a game using proper, traditional boundaries. Britannia inferior vs Britannia Superior, or Northumbria v Mercia.

Thats not a bad idea actually.

We had county games pretty much every season from 1895 through until the early eighties. I remember watching a couple with crowds below the 1000 mark in the 1970s.

There has to come a point when you accept that most people aren't interested.

I reckon we would be too tempted to write it off as a failure when it doesn't turn into a SOO affair in the first year.

My idea with Lancs and Yorks is to start them again as opposition for France (and maybe Wales). It would give France more competetive fixtures which would help their developement and give us two trail games were a few other potential players can have a crack of the whip.

If these fixtures were going on (which I think would be well received by fans on both sdes of the pennines), each county's performances would start to ask questions about which side was better, thus maybe creating a real clamour for the lancs vs yorks fixture to be scheduled.

IIRC Origin struggled when the concept was introduced. If something is going to be introduced here it needs to be followed through even if it isn't instantly successful. I see no reason why a similar concept to Origin can't be introduced here, except the RFL's short termism.