Firstly the distance it's like wire relocating to Gloucester would you wire fans make that trip evey other week? I made the 163mile each way to bf 6 times this year it nearly killed my bank account. To expect the current fans to travel to north Wales is out of the question to bf is easy m4 to Bridgend simples. South Wales to north Wales? Not exactly easy drive.

2 business sense. This moss guy has money he isn't going to pi$$ it up the wall.SL places are up for renewal soon if cru move this SL place looks very shakey, is this guy honestly going to buy a club AND the debts, with it in the back of his mind that they will probably lose the SL place if they relocate? He'd never get the business to pay off the debts he would have to front up the cash not going to happen is it.

3 relocation and the loss of sl place. Yes I've said it if we move north sl place is gone. Will there be enough fans to sustain this sl place? Probably not and with widnes up the road who are working hard and putting things in place fir a bid is there much chance? You can't run a team on away support only imagine the catalans home game?

With the proposed nl team in SW all I can see is two nl clubs at either ends of the country

Flatcapper

So am I the only one who sees that a move up north can be a positive move?

North Wales is an untapped area in terms of full-time professional sports teams. Wrexham FC average 3,500 (2008-9) in the Blue Square Prem while Colwyn Bay don't get many supporters in the Unibond League.

In terms of RU, the Scarlets have played matches at the Racecourse Ground but not on a regualr basis. WRU have cited the area as a 'development region' but as of yet nothing I'm aware of has come about it. Its a perfect opportunity for RL to get it's foot in the door as early as possible.

To move rl into the area is a good idea in theory yes. However who would fund this the point I was trying to make is this moss bloke surely isn't likely to purchase a club at sl price if it likely that moving it will cost it's sl place and massively devalue almost over night.

He could however buy in and keep cru in south Wales after all just because he is in Wrexham doesn't mean cru have to be.

In nit flat cap I'm more baseball cap init

Well it is definitely happening. Definitely.

Starbug, a lot of your posts even in jest don't make any sense at all. How could someone (incorrectly) suggesting that Crusaders may not move to Wrexham ever be a flat capper? The Wrexham move is a negative in terms of expansion of the game, so suggesting that it wouldn't work in no way makes anyone a flat capper. Do you think that expansionists just agree with everything that happens, and that anyone who does differently is labelled a flat capper? Because if you think that is the case, then you really are utterly clueless. This would also explain your bizarre and contradictory views on many subjects.

I've heard that from two different well placed sources today too.

Yep, now you're getting it!

That's how annoying and silly the term is.

It wont work for the simple fact that they wont have a fan base in Wrexham for a good while yet. Surely it would be more beneficial for them to keep their base in south wales and build on what they have achieved so far in Bridgend.

It might not work, in reality it probably won't, but that is what is going to happen.

Be pretty embarrasing for the game if there was only Leeds Rhinos fans there on the opening day wouldnt it!!!

I don't really see any alternative.....there will [ireally[/i be only some Leeds fans there. Where are the Wrexham RL fans going to appear from?

Sure, there might be a few curious locals on freebies but beyond that? Only bright spot in this is the supposed appearance of a South Wales RL team. They can then follow the South Wales team from 1996 into oblivion. After that we can stop pretending about everything.

What Wrexham rl fans? As for just Leeds that's not true there are at least 2 crusaders fans up from south Wales but seeing as it's a Friday and it's 3 hrs in the car and 4 on the train most won't be able to get there cos of work hurray for sky sports

I don't think they will, they will have local players and a fanbase now. As long as they don't make a mad dash for promotion at the cost of stability they will survive in the long term. They may be unlikely to make SL, at least for the immediate future, but a Welsh side in the Championship or Championship 1 is a good thing in its own right, especially one with Welsh players and the game isn't just SL or nothing

The 1996 team didn't fail as such, they had a hissy fit and quit the game when they weren't promoted 2 divisions straight from a midtable finish in Division 2 (they were offered promotion to Division 1 though)

Wrexham makes a lot of sense. But once again its not by design its by luck. The RFLs franchising system is pathetic. The NRL are so tough and strict when it comes to handing out franchises. Infrastructure, long term finances etc. are everything. The RFL just hand a cheque over and hope for the best.

I seriously hope it works in Wrexham, we really dont need more Lancs/Merseyside/Yorks clubs in SL. But if not Toulouse should come in not Widnes.

Widnes can replace Salford or Wakey in a couple of years.

Having wrecked one expansion side through overambition, your conclusion is that we ought to wreck another.

Basically yes that's what his lot think. They kill more expansion clubs than anyone else.

People like him care nothing for the development of the game and only care about the geographical locations of SL teams and don't care how many expansion clubs they kill to achieve this. If a club is a good club it doesn't matter what their geographical location is, this is a sport and business not a geography lesson

Yeh lets replace one failed experiment with a team that couldn't even compete in the Championship. By hook or by crook we will have expansion!!

Expansion loonies the lot of them. Yet reasoned opposition is deemed to be 'ignorant flatcappery'.

It is quite noticeable how apart from loony Dally M most of the usual suspects are avoiding the recent threads

They're having a meal in here - humble pie i think and discussing where to go next with all this.........

We're not gone yet people.

Another thing you need to consider is the club had 3,600+ average having finished bottom with only 3 wins. That is more than harlequins managed after a much better season.

If we move to Wrexham it will be purely down to no money from the backer not lack of support. I, for one, was quite happy with the average attendance and it gave us something to build on. I was also over the moon with the youth development and players of potential have shown up literally overnight.

Let's just realise why we're moving and the fact if Samuel still had money to pump into the club the venture would have succeeded down here. Most things point to that fact other than the rubbish way the powers that be ran the club.

The RFL loathe to admit to admit mistakes, and this folly will cost more before the plug is pulled I suspect. No-one recall the mid nineties South Welsh floundering

Yes but every other time has been a 'quick fix' set up with ageing union players or past it northerners with nothing coming through the youth ranks.

This time was different and the youth were coming on and will come on nicely. It is just sad Leighton Samuel doesn't have enough money to continue funding the club.

The problem quite simply is there anybody willing to tip money into RL week in week out , year in year out in South Wales ?

Are the RFL ' conning ' these benefactors into believeing they can break even ?

A championship club will lose money anywhere between 50 grand and 300 grand , change that to SL and you are looking at half a million to a million each year

Until the sport can finance itself it will never expand