|
 |
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Owner | 7665 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Oct 2003 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | Jun 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Wakefield Trinity Wildcats Statement
During recent weeks the club has become concerned about the number of inaccuracies being reported regarding our move to be anchor tenants at the Newmarket stadium. These inaccuracies have led to speculation amongst shareholders, sponsors and supporters and we would like to take this opportunity to confirm our position on the following points:
The Site:
The land at Newmarket covers just under 214 acres of land of which around 60 acres is being utilised for sport and leisure facilities. The land was originally part of the Newmarket colliery site which makes up 135 acres of brown belt land at the site.
Key Partners:
Colin Mackie is Managing Director of Yorkcourt Properties Limited the Developers.
Sir Rodney Walker is Chairman of the Wakefield & District Community Trust. This Trust has been formed to deliver the sport and leisure complex for the District of Wakefield. The Trust will be the owners of the Stadium once the development completes.
Wakefield Trinity Wildcats – have been accepted to be anchor tenant at the Newmarket Stadium.
Wakefield Metropolitan District Council have pledged support to the stadium development in the form of a land donation to Wakefield & District Community Trust. The value of this support is currently £2million and can only be made to a Trust, the Council cannot make a donation to a Limited Company.
Stadium & Leisure:
The Stadium will have a 12,000 capacity with a mix of seated and standing accommodation and has the flexibility to increase to a 15,000 capacity at a later stage.
The plans have been designed to deliver Health, Education, Sport and Leisure for the District and the complex will include a training barn with 3 G pitches. Discussions are well underway with a variety of end users incorporating football; two major Leisure Developers one of which would provide swimming facilities; space for charitable trust partners; local colleges and universities; Health Trusts and park and ride facilities. The Business Plan is in final stages of completion showing a sustainable viable business for the facilities.
Whilst the stadium will be a community stadium it is a private development and not a Council development although we are grateful to the Council for their help and support in the donation of the land to the Trust and their ongoing support for the project.
Stadium Review:
Neither Wakefield nor Castleford were asked to be involved in a feasibility study but were asked to be involved in a review. Each club was asked to partake in a review of their respective stadium developments by Wakefield Council. On receipt of this request Wakefield Trinity wrote to Wakefield Council and confirmed that any review would need to be carried out with Wakefield & District Community Trust and the Developer as the club is only to be the anchor tenant and the other parties would need to be involved in any process.
Wakefield & District Community Trust wrote to Wakefield Council to confirm they would take part in the review process once they had seen the draft scope for the review. During discussions it became apparent that this review would cost around £30,000. Wakefield & District Community Trust, Yorkcourt Properties and the club attended a meeting at Wakefield Council. =#FF4080At this meeting in light of the substantial progress reported and confirmation that funding was available thereby giving it a high likelihood of being successfully delivered it was agreed by all parties that a review was not necessary and that the Newmarket project should forge ahead to deliver sport and leisure facilities for the District.
Ground Share:
Wakefield & District Community Trust wrote to sporting organisations in the District and invited letters of interest in using the facilities at Newmarket. Wakefield Trinity Wildcats confirmed their interest and are to be anchor tenants at the facility. The same letter was sent to Castleford Tigers and Featherstone Rovers who are both developing their own stadiums, neither club were interested in becoming involved at the Newmarket site.
The Club want to place on record that whilst it is delighted to be an anchor tenant at Newmarket it is also looking forward to Wakefield & District Community Trust continuing its work to secure other end users at the facility. The club has always maintained that the facilities need to be widely used and the Trust, the Developer and Wakefield Council are all aware that Wakefield Trinity as anchor tenants are happy to ground share with any other willing partners of the Trust.
In a statement issued on 25th July the club said “ . . .the Wildcats would concentrate their support for Newmarket and that a move to Glasshoughton was not an option”
From this statement many sources have reported that the Club will not ground share, this is not the case. We are happy to ground share but we are not looking to utilise any facilities which may eventually be developed at Glasshoughton.
Timescales:
An application for outline planning permission was made in February 2010, we are hopeful that a decision on this application will now be made in September 2010. Plans for the detailed permission are ready to be submitted and the stadium build is a 46 week process. All parties concerned in the process are aware of the Super League timescale for Licensing.
Yorkcourt Properties have been working with internationally acclaimed architects DLA Limited, if you visit their website on www.dla-architecture.co.uk and look under projects and sport the Newmarket stadium details are listed along with other projects DLA have worked on such as the MEN Arena and other international projects. The architects have been in place since the very beginning of this project and are key to making this work. Detailed plans for the Newmarket stadium are ready to be submitted to the next stage of planning once outline planning is granted.
To place this in context, outline planning permission was granted at Glasshoughton in 2005, on 6th May 2010 Castleford confirmed that architects for the detailed plans were announced from a shortlist of 18.
We feel we have made excellent progress in just under 2 years in reaching this stage and whilst there is still work to be done we are delighted to be in the position we are in.
These are exciting times for everyone involved in this project and the amount of work being done should not be underestimated. Key personnel are already heavily involved in training and preparing for the move to Newmarket and have attended the European Venue Management Institute course for Strategic Stadium Business Management; the Healthy Stadia Network Conference and the Stadium Business Summit Conference in Dublin and will attend the Sports and Events Management Conference at Twickenham later in the year. St. Helens RFL had also attended some of these events as they prepare for their move from Knowsley Road.
The news on the progress made at Newmarket is excellent for the District and it is hoped that once the whole site is operational then 2,000 jobs will be created helping regeneration for the region. |
|
Wakefield Trinity Wildcats Statement
During recent weeks the club has become concerned about the number of inaccuracies being reported regarding our move to be anchor tenants at the Newmarket stadium. These inaccuracies have led to speculation amongst shareholders, sponsors and supporters and we would like to take this opportunity to confirm our position on the following points:
The Site:
The land at Newmarket covers just under 214 acres of land of which around 60 acres is being utilised for sport and leisure facilities. The land was originally part of the Newmarket colliery site which makes up 135 acres of brown belt land at the site.
Key Partners:
Colin Mackie is Managing Director of Yorkcourt Properties Limited the Developers.
Sir Rodney Walker is Chairman of the Wakefield & District Community Trust. This Trust has been formed to deliver the sport and leisure complex for the District of Wakefield. The Trust will be the owners of the Stadium once the development completes.
Wakefield Trinity Wildcats – have been accepted to be anchor tenant at the Newmarket Stadium.
Wakefield Metropolitan District Council have pledged support to the stadium development in the form of a land donation to Wakefield & District Community Trust. The value of this support is currently £2million and can only be made to a Trust, the Council cannot make a donation to a Limited Company.
Stadium & Leisure:
The Stadium will have a 12,000 capacity with a mix of seated and standing accommodation and has the flexibility to increase to a 15,000 capacity at a later stage.
The plans have been designed to deliver Health, Education, Sport and Leisure for the District and the complex will include a training barn with 3 G pitches. Discussions are well underway with a variety of end users incorporating football; two major Leisure Developers one of which would provide swimming facilities; space for charitable trust partners; local colleges and universities; Health Trusts and park and ride facilities. The Business Plan is in final stages of completion showing a sustainable viable business for the facilities.
Whilst the stadium will be a community stadium it is a private development and not a Council development although we are grateful to the Council for their help and support in the donation of the land to the Trust and their ongoing support for the project.
Stadium Review:
Neither Wakefield nor Castleford were asked to be involved in a feasibility study but were asked to be involved in a review. Each club was asked to partake in a review of their respective stadium developments by Wakefield Council. On receipt of this request Wakefield Trinity wrote to Wakefield Council and confirmed that any review would need to be carried out with Wakefield & District Community Trust and the Developer as the club is only to be the anchor tenant and the other parties would need to be involved in any process.
Wakefield & District Community Trust wrote to Wakefield Council to confirm they would take part in the review process once they had seen the draft scope for the review. During discussions it became apparent that this review would cost around £30,000. Wakefield & District Community Trust, Yorkcourt Properties and the club attended a meeting at Wakefield Council. =#FF4080At this meeting in light of the substantial progress reported and confirmation that funding was available thereby giving it a high likelihood of being successfully delivered it was agreed by all parties that a review was not necessary and that the Newmarket project should forge ahead to deliver sport and leisure facilities for the District.
Ground Share:
Wakefield & District Community Trust wrote to sporting organisations in the District and invited letters of interest in using the facilities at Newmarket. Wakefield Trinity Wildcats confirmed their interest and are to be anchor tenants at the facility. The same letter was sent to Castleford Tigers and Featherstone Rovers who are both developing their own stadiums, neither club were interested in becoming involved at the Newmarket site.
The Club want to place on record that whilst it is delighted to be an anchor tenant at Newmarket it is also looking forward to Wakefield & District Community Trust continuing its work to secure other end users at the facility. The club has always maintained that the facilities need to be widely used and the Trust, the Developer and Wakefield Council are all aware that Wakefield Trinity as anchor tenants are happy to ground share with any other willing partners of the Trust.
In a statement issued on 25th July the club said “ . . .the Wildcats would concentrate their support for Newmarket and that a move to Glasshoughton was not an option”
From this statement many sources have reported that the Club will not ground share, this is not the case. We are happy to ground share but we are not looking to utilise any facilities which may eventually be developed at Glasshoughton.
Timescales:
An application for outline planning permission was made in February 2010, we are hopeful that a decision on this application will now be made in September 2010. Plans for the detailed permission are ready to be submitted and the stadium build is a 46 week process. All parties concerned in the process are aware of the Super League timescale for Licensing.
Yorkcourt Properties have been working with internationally acclaimed architects DLA Limited, if you visit their website on www.dla-architecture.co.uk and look under projects and sport the Newmarket stadium details are listed along with other projects DLA have worked on such as the MEN Arena and other international projects. The architects have been in place since the very beginning of this project and are key to making this work. Detailed plans for the Newmarket stadium are ready to be submitted to the next stage of planning once outline planning is granted.
To place this in context, outline planning permission was granted at Glasshoughton in 2005, on 6th May 2010 Castleford confirmed that architects for the detailed plans were announced from a shortlist of 18.
We feel we have made excellent progress in just under 2 years in reaching this stage and whilst there is still work to be done we are delighted to be in the position we are in.
These are exciting times for everyone involved in this project and the amount of work being done should not be underestimated. Key personnel are already heavily involved in training and preparing for the move to Newmarket and have attended the European Venue Management Institute course for Strategic Stadium Business Management; the Healthy Stadia Network Conference and the Stadium Business Summit Conference in Dublin and will attend the Sports and Events Management Conference at Twickenham later in the year. St. Helens RFL had also attended some of these events as they prepare for their move from Knowsley Road.
The news on the progress made at Newmarket is excellent for the District and it is hoped that once the whole site is operational then 2,000 jobs will be created helping regeneration for the region. | |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Owner | 1466 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2004 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Mar 2022 | Oct 2021 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Gazemous"The only clubs fit for Super League at the moment are Hull FC, Saints (when they move), Warrington, Wigan, Leeds, Catalans and Huddersfield.
The rest either have a ground issues (Bradford, KR, Cas, Wakey, Salford, or embarrassing attendances (Crusaders, Quins, Salford - again).
'"
A good sum up of the situation. Fans take it very personally when their club is singled out as a team that may drop down but there are plenty of fans in places like Widnes, Halifax and Cumbria that really want a team. Sky are not a charity and they want to broadcast a high quality league that covers a wide area. The bottom line is you have to contribute to the league in some way (good junior system/large fan base/modern stadium). Superleague has been around for a long time and many clubs have not moved on in that time. If a club is not progressing others deserve a go.
It is interesting how they have seperated the "promoted team" announcement from the licencing announcement. I assume this is so they can promote Widnes/Halifax/Barrow and then give Toulouse a licence when the licences are announced a few months later. Therefore they are not giving Toulouse a licence at the expense of another Championship club.
I am with everyone else I think the teams in trouble are Salford/Castleford/Wakefield. I can't help feeling with the player rumoured to be leaving the club at the end of the year that Castleford may have a poor start to next year that will swing that axe their way. Wakefield are in trouble too as they have the worst ground in the league by a distance. Salford is all about their ground. If there is something at Barton when the choice is made then they are safe. I will be very surprised if Castleford or Wakefield get there own stand allow stadium. Wakefield choosing to go solo on the stadia could be the death nail for both clubs.
My prediction. Castleford and Wakefield to go down. Widnes to get promoted and Toulouse to be given a licence after being invited by the RFL to apply. |
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 18789 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2002 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2023 | Mar 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="SBR"wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/2010/08/community-trust-stadium-wakefild-trinity-wildcats-statement/'"
2 down one to go.
Come on Salford - get in on the act !!! |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Owner | 1466 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2004 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Mar 2022 | Oct 2021 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="littlerich"2 down one to go.
Come on Salford - get in on the act !!!'"
I don't think Salford need a press release as their stadium isn't fictional. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 5064 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Feb 2003 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2018 | Oct 2017 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="littlerich"2 down one to go.
Come on Salford - get in on the act !!!'"
What's the point? The Wakey PR has a couple of digs at Cas as it is, the best thing for Cas to do would be to get on with it, and not indulge in tit-for-tat press releases.
They've already announced that plans will be revealed before the Leeds game. |
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 5064 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Feb 2003 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2018 | Oct 2017 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Also, a quick question, not to flame but to get a genuine response from neutrals:
Why do Bradford and Hull KR never come up in these discussions? They are both within close proximity of other SL clubs, have poor stadia, poor youth development and questionable finances? Why are Castleford - who have poor stadia but excellent youth development and stable finances - much more likely to fall out of SL than either of those clubs?
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Coach | 8487 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jan 2005 | 20 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Feb 2020 | Oct 2019 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Noel Cleal"I can't help feeling with the player rumoured to be leaving the club at the end of the year that Castleford may have a poor start to next year that will swing that axe their way. '"
Rumours are just that - rumours. Some times they hold little substance.
Also, the only players confirmed as gone are Sargent, Sherwin and Shenton - incoming Orr and Mathers. Sounds like sensible recruitment to me and aside from that releases up a bit of the cap for more players. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 18789 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2002 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2023 | Mar 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Noel Cleal"I don't think Salford need a press release as their stadium isn't fictional.'"
I mut be looking in the wrong direction when i travel over Barton Bridge. I see a sewage plant, a ski slope and waste ground. I see no stadium. |
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Chairman | 48326 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Mar 2002 | 23 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2023 | Oct 2022 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
It's also worth noting that we're still on course for an average top 8 finish in the two seasons of the current licence period that will actually be completed by the time the applications are submitted.
Of course, how much that will count if the stadium isn't seriously on course by next April for a start-of-2012 completion is another question …
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 18789 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2002 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2023 | Mar 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="tb"It's also worth noting that we're still on course for an average top 8 finish in the two seasons of the current licence period that will actually be completed by the time the applications are submitted.
Of course, how much that will count if the stadium isn't seriously on course by next April for a start-of-2012 completion is another question …'"
Widnes are heading for a mid-table average and it isn't going to affect their bid  |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 2912 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| May 2006 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Apr 2024 | Jan 2020 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Gazemous"Also, a quick question, not to flame but to get a genuine response from neutrals:
Why do Bradford and Hull KR never come up in these discussions? They are both within close proximity of other SL clubs, have poor stadia, poor youth development and questionable finances? Why are Castleford - who have poor stadia but excellent youth development and stable finances - much more likely to fall out of SL than either of those clubs?'"
It's difficult not to be partisan about these things but as far as HKR are concerned Craven Park may not be the KC but it is immesurably better than it was five years ago, how many other SL clubs can say that about their ground, despite promises year after year after year?
Youth development has vastly improved too from what was for various reasons a low starting point (our under 18s are playing in the top group and doing pretty well. Rovers' finances have been widely discussed due to the Chairman being open about the unsustainability of losses in SL, however Rovers losses are about average (for SL) and are underwritten by a committed board of directors and are therefore to use your term "stable". |
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Owner | 13190 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Feb 2004 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Oct 2015 | Oct 2015 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="littlerich"I mut be looking in the wrong direction when i travel over Barton Bridge. I see a sewage plant, a ski slope and waste ground. I see no stadium.'"
Coming back from Trafford Centre on Sunday there is definately groundwork being done at the side of Barton Bridge. I would presume this to be groundworks ready for the new stadium, although they are only getting the site ready, a bit like what Waystone have been doing where the Tigers ground is supposed to be going. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 18789 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2002 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2023 | Mar 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="picasso1"Coming back from Trafford Centre on Sunday there is definately groundwork being done at the side of Barton Bridge. I would presume this to be groundworks ready for the new stadium, although they are only getting the site ready, a bit like what Waystone have been doing where the Tigers ground is supposed to be going.'"
Yes - i can see this too. I can't see a stadium yet though and for me, that's as good as fictional.
I've dug up my back garden to put in a jacuzzi. I've taken photographs too and i have my plans. My wife has also given me the go-ahead. I am now in negotiations with my neighbour to try and get them to help me with the financing in return for a few dips when completed.
I'm sure it'll be built .............  |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Owner | 33944 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Mar 2004 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Mar 2016 | Mar 2016 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="picasso1"Coming back from Trafford Centre on Sunday there is definately groundwork being done at the side of Barton Bridge. I would presume this to be groundworks ready for the new stadium, although they are only getting the site ready, a bit like what Waystone have been doing where the Tigers ground is supposed to be going.'"
It is a big pile of dirt , not a RL stadium , when said pile of dirt has been removed , then they might actually start ' building ' something |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Owner | 1466 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2004 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Mar 2022 | Oct 2021 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Fully"Rumours are just that - rumours. Some times they hold little substance.
Also, the only players confirmed as gone are Sargent, Sherwin and Shenton - incoming Orr and Mathers. Sounds like sensible recruitment to me and aside from that releases up a bit of the cap for more players.'"
Hey I like Castleford. They are my second favourite Superleague team.
But the writing looks firmly on the wall. Orr and Mathers are pretty poor signing TBH. You guys didn't have the biggest squad in the first place and Shenton and Sargent were two of your best players. Plus there is the reported drinking culture at the club with Matterson confirmed as going home after next year.
I just hope there is smoke without fire in this case. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 15807 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2005 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jun 2019 | Oct 2017 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Gazemous"Also, a quick question, not to flame but to get a genuine response from neutrals:
Why do Bradford and Hull KR never come up in these discussions? They are both within close proximity of other SL clubs, have poor stadia, poor youth development and questionable finances? Why are Castleford - who have poor stadia but excellent youth development and stable finances - much more likely to fall out of SL than either of those clubs?'"
- Our youth development's improving steadily
- Our ground is better then Cas
- We get more at home
- Take more away (on average)
- Have finished in the top 8 three seasons in a row
- Give Sky two fantastic derbies every year with Hull
Etc etc.
 |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 27039 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2005 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2017 | Sep 2017 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="The Chronicler of Chiswic"The thought that occurred to me as I was eating my boiled eggy this morning was that as Saints are being allowed to play at Widnes while their new ground is building, if Wakey manage to get planning permission for their new ground, have the diggers in and a ground share agreement with Barnsley in place while the new ground's being built before the application deadline, then the RFL can't exclude them on inadequate facilties. I foresee thing getting even nastier and messier than we all imagined!'"
You may have a point  |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 1055 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| May 2007 | 18 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Mar 2012 | Mar 2012 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Salfords new ground is well and truely not fictional!!! must be 20+ earth movers getting the site ready for work to begin in october,when do peel holdings ever f**k around when it comes to building projects??????????????
i'd rather have them on my side then wakefield council thats for sure!!!
BYE BYE WAKEY and the worst ground ever to have graced super league!!!
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 14302 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2005 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2018 | Sep 2015 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Gazemous"Also, a quick question, not to flame but to get a genuine response from neutrals:
Why do Bradford and Hull KR never come up in these discussions? They are both within close proximity of other SL clubs, have poor stadia, poor youth development and questionable finances? Why are Castleford - who have poor stadia but excellent youth development and stable finances - much more likely to fall out of SL than either of those clubs?'" We (HKR) have actually gone out and done things to improve CP and our club in general,You and Wakey have done exactly what again in all the time you have had in SL?
How long have we been in SL again in comparison the Wakey and Cas?
Comparing yourselves to Bradford is nothing short of silly talk as well.
You have nobody to blame but yourselves. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Chairman | 5480 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| May 2021 | Oct 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
The vast majority of this thread is pointing at Wakey/Cas for the drop. I dunno why. Cas have decent crowds and a decent production line, and have achieved reasonably in the league in the franchise period. Wakey have achieved reasonably in the last two years, and are belatedly getting their youth act in gear, although their crowds are too low.
The obvious candidate, it seems to me, is Salford. When franchising came round the first time, people got fixated on the stadium as if it was the final word on whether you get a franchise, as opposed to one amongst several criteria. Salford fail pretty miserably on all the criteria : their crowds are only at the level of Quins and Crusaders because of their geographic proximity to travelling support, their results are consistently woeful, their junior set-up is historically weak and shows no great sign of improving beyond mediocre. They are also not spending remotely up to the cap nor have any near prospect of doing so. And as for the stadium, I think that the RFL (and the other clubs, who despite all the moaning at Lewis et al, are ultimately in control of this), have learned their lesson about buying pigs in pokes.
I can't see anywhere where Salford aren't bottom of the pile of the franchise criteria. Let's assume the clubs in the mix are Quins, Crusaders, Wakey, Cas and Salford, and look at the criteria :
1 Commercial, marketing, media and community.
Worse than all four for home fan numbers and media profile locally and nationally.
2 Facilities
Worst ground in the league, and new stadium is pie in the sky at present
3 Finance
None of those five have anything to shout about, and Salford's not growing its pie until the Flying Pig Stadium is completed
4 Governance and business management
Wakey and Cas seem well-governed by comparison. Crusaders have been worse, but this year seem to be much steadier. Quins is closest in ineptitude.
5 Playing strength and player performance strategy - Terrible at senior level, mediocre at best at junior level
First team's performance is the worst of the bunch over the last decade. Youth teams are mediocre at best, and playing numbers in Salford are tiny compared to the kids playing in the catchments of the other four candidates.
By my reckoning, that makes Salford a clear worst in 3 of the 5 criteria, and joint worst in the other 2. I'd say they're gone.
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Chairman | 47951 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| May 2002 | 23 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2017 | Jul 2017 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Roy Haggerty"The vast majority of this thread is pointing at Wakey/Cas for the drop. I dunno why. <snip>'"
Excellent post. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 18789 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2002 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2023 | Mar 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Can we get a swingometer on here? I was convinced it was Wakey/Cas. After reading Wardley's daft post and then Mr Haggerty's the meter is now pointing at Salford. By 'eck there's gonna be some argy bargy on here next year  |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Chairman | 47951 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| May 2002 | 23 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2017 | Jul 2017 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Should we open a book?
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Chairman | 5442 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Feb 2002 | 23 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jun 2024 | May 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
I hope Crusaders are in the Championship again after three years, a farewell to the Paris/Gateshead/Wrexham approach forever and a better way to improve the standard of players in Wales and a crowd base.
Their average crowd is the third lowest in the division and following the Paris model that may get worse, from a sell out game one to what could be the lowest super league crowd of the year tomorrow, they also had no welsh players in their last team from what ive read, until the players are ready there should be no team, results with a team of australians are far from impressive
They have broken the rules with the visa issues and went bust in the close season, this would prevent a team coming up so should count against them, there are also questions about finances/management this year - their geographical position is a "strength" but if it was important then they wouldnt have been able to change it so easily
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 22777 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| May 2006 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jun 2020 | Feb 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Hopie"I hope Crusaders are in the Championship again after three years, a farewell to the Paris/Gateshead/Wrexham approach forever and a better way to improve the standard of players in Wales and a crowd base.
Their average crowd is the third lowest in the division and following the Paris model that may get worse, from a sell out game one to what could be the lowest super league crowd of the year tomorrow, [ithey also had no welsh players in their last team from what ive read, until the players are ready there should be no team,[/i results with a team of australians are far from impressive
They have broken the rules with the visa issues and went bust in the close season, this would prevent a team coming up so should count against them, there are also questions about finances/management this year - their geographical position is a "strength" but if it was important then they wouldnt have been able to change it so easily'"
how are the players supposed to be ready for SL without ever playing SL?
also, plenty of heartland clubs have a far from proud history when it comes to overseas players, |
|
|
|
|
|
