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| Quote ="Ruune Rebellion"Please tell me this is a wind up? He posts a misogynist post then says “don’t call me a masogynist (sic)”
I haven’t checked his posting history but I bet he’s a Wigan fan'"
The sad part of this is that you don't even recognise the irony in making this post on a thread about prejudice and stereotyping.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"The sad part of this is that you don't even recognise the irony in making this post on a thread about prejudice and stereotyping.'"
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| Quote ="PopTart"The thing you are missing is that you are judging her skills as a pundit on her achievements in an area of sport she can't compete in.
Your Brian Cox example shows exactly why you are wrong.
Brian Cox is a very intelligent and well qualified scientist. But that is not why they put him on tv. He has that gig because he can present science better than most people. He doesn't present anything near the level he actually studies. None of us would understand a word he was saying because we are not at that level. So it doesn't matter whether he is the best at what he studies, it matters that he can present in an entertaining way and teach people who know less than he does.
A Rugby League Pundit is the same.
I am lucky enough to go to the Great Britain Lions Luncheon every year. The very very best rugby league players from this country attend that dinner and receive awards and talk on stage. I can't tell you how great it is to talk to those guys and listen to their stories. The qualifications in the room would be too great to list, but not many would be able to talk on camera to millions of people. That is a different skill altogether.
Trent Robinson is one of the most insightful pundits I've seen on Sky. Probably only Eddie has played less professional games on the Sky team.
Whether Lois Forsell was brought in because they needed to tick a box only Sky can answer, but I doubt they actually needed to tick a box at all. Viewing figures is what they are judged on, not diversity.
Personally I was interested to know what she had to say and found it refreshing. I had no idea who she was so I could only judge her on what she said and how she said it. For that she ticks a box. I've since looked her up and she is clearly a good rugby league player and leader. If she was rubbish and didn't know what she was talking about (like Terry) I would call it out, but she wasn't.
Sky don't feel the need to bring in someone who is not white European or white Australasian. That would tick a diversity box but they don't do that, so why instantly think this is the same? Maybe, they think she'll be good and will bring a different view point to the game based on her personality, her lessons learned as a player and her ability to talk in front of the camera.
The fact that this has to be explained in 2019 is really sad.'"
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| Hull FC v Hull KR - they’ve got a female commentator? Someone’s being fast tracked.
If they want a female commentator I’d much prefer someone who’s earned it like Angela Powers.
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If they want a female commentator I’d much prefer someone who’s earned it like Angela Powers.'"
How do you earn it?
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| Ask Harvey.........no not Howard, the other Harvey of Hollywood
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| It's the first time I've heard the new commentator, and other than the manc accent, I've been impressed.
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| fits in well. she's rubbish
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| Quote ="tigertot"How do you earn it?'"
By Starting at the bottom, maybe radio commentary.
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| Not impressed by her
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Not impressed by her'"
Me neither, Sky are obsessed by doing the 'right thing'. It's better to have a player who knows about the actual physicality of the men's game. An ex BARLA player would have been better than the woman who was on the Hull v Hull KR game.
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| Well having now watched the game back I thought she was alright. Not fantastic, but alright.
Did she offer me any great insight or make interesting points that I hadn't already thought about? Well no. But she was articulate and seemed knowledgeable enough. She was an improvement on Barry and Terry imo (I think they call that damning with faint praise).
I am happy for her to stick around and we can see how she goes when she gets a bit more comfortable in the role. She wasn't out of place. Don't really understand the comments saying she was rubbish.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"Well having now watched the game back I thought she was alright. Not fantastic, but alright.
Did she offer me any great insight or make interesting points that I hadn't already thought about? Well no. But she was articulate and seemed knowledgeable enough. She was an improvement on Barry and Terry imo (I think they call that damning with faint praise).
I am happy for her to stick around and we can see how she goes when she gets a bit more comfortable in the role. She wasn't out of place. Don't really understand the comments saying she was rubbish.'"
Same here. She wasn’t amazing but certainly was no worse than most of the men on there who constantly come out with ridiculous platitudes and cliched rubbish.
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| Not big on Sky sticking women in for the sake of it like they are doing in football, but the female commentator yesterday was not bad at all and tbf a big improvement on the likes of dumb and dumber and Phil 'turtle neck' Clarke.
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| The woman who did the post match interviews for the Hull derby was Australian. She was, as you would expect, excellent.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"The woman who did the post match interviews for the Hull derby was Australian. She was, as you would expect, excellent.'"
YAWN
bore off,,, go post on NRL sites
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"Me neither, Sky are obsessed by doing the 'right thing'. It's better to have a player who knows about the actual physicality of the men's game. An ex BARLA player would have been better than the woman who was on the Hull v Hull KR game.'"
Are you saying that no woman could ever commentate on the men's game then?
She currently plays in the women's Super League so has knowledge of playing the game, probably more so than the likes of Dave Woods and Eddie Hemmings.
Far better than Angela Powers. Not excellent, but she'll grow into it hopefully. No Trina Gulliver though
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| Only caught the 1st half but she was ok. What she said was fine but did sound a bit quiet, perhaps understandable when you’re new to the gig and most likely nervous. If she can speak with more confidence which should come with more appearances she’ll be fine.
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| The lady in question didn't bring any insights into the game. Maybe thats just a lack of experience, but I was left wondering why she was on the panel.
As for Brian Cox, he is a numpty whose knowledge of space is pure guesswork because like just about evrry other person on this planet he's never been there.
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| Quote ="My Mate Ronnie"Forum users encourage the pseudonym Jean Capdouze
For whatever reason this person has chosen to allegedly pretend to be French or reside in France , whether this person is Australian , British isn’t really relevant .
The concern is that this person thinks they are mocking , ridiculing other forum users which is a concern .
The pseudonym in question has history of been inconsistent, Using someone full Christian name to purposefully try to bait another forum user or to attempt to show a level of intellect, only to forget to be consistent .
David becomes Dave ....Samuel ..becomes Sam etc etc .
This person needs to really take a look at themselves and ask themselves why they are doing this , maybe there are a loner , or have mental health issues .
If this person doesn’t think they have issues that need addressing , they are incorrect. It’s pretty sad for them .'"
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| Quote ="Zuider"The lady in question didn't bring any insights into the game. '"
Well she was the only one that realised it was a shoulder charge on Sneyd. The others completely missed it, even on a couple of replays. In fact, Jon Wells was banging on about how good a tackle it was!
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| Quote ="Zuider"
As for Brian Cox, he is a numpty whose knowledge of space is pure guesswork because like just about evrry other person on this planet he's never been there.'"
Yeah, guesswork has gotten him a lot of gig at universities and on TV.
I find the guy quite irritating, but I definitely wouldn't question his knowledge, especially based on such a poor reason.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"The woman who did the post match interviews for the Hull derby was Australian. She was, as you would expect, excellent.'"
Great insight as usual bazza
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| A number of years ago I had the leisure to watch a lot of one of the women's Union World Cup tournaments. The quality was awful and the skill levels similar to the U14s boys team that I was coaching. Every tournament since then has seen a steady and strong improvement in the quality as the number of players has increased and I now enjoy and even look forward to watching games. Women's Rugby League is still some way behind in terms of participation and structure but that will come with time. Opportunities to officiate will become more common and the number of personalities available for commentary will increase. At the moment there are few top class female commentators in RL but there are also few top class male ones either. Rather than employing good commentators, like Claire Balding, we limit ourselves to a pool of ex-players with little media ability. All around the world broadcasters are taking the opportunities that using the best figure heads of either sex offer. Canal Plus in France has a fabulous female RU presenter heading up their coverage who certainly brings knowledge and style to a line up of otherwise hairy blokes. Barry McDermot is not going to widen our appeal.
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