[uRound 1 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 64,387 (Avg: 9,19icon_cool.gif
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 63,376 (Avg: 9,054)
% increase = +1.59%

[uRound 2 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 69,809 (Avg: 9,973)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,989 (Avg: 10,284)
% decrease = -3.03%

[uRound 3 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 58,711 (Avg: 8,387)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,246 (Avg: 10,17icon_cool.gif
% decrease = -17.59%

[uRound 4 Fixtures (6 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 46,166 (Avg: 7,694)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 55,477 (Avg: 9,246)
% decrease = -16.78%

[uRound 5 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 50,207 (Avg: 7,172)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 57,593 (Avg: 8,22icon_cool.gif
% decrease = -12.82%

[uRound 6 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 67,079 (Avg: 9,583)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,439 (Avg: 10,206)
% decrease = -6.10%

[uRound 7 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 57,048 (Avg: 8,150)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 69,941 (Avg: 9,992)
% decrease = -18.43%

[uRound 8 Fixtures (6 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 42,216 (Avg: 7,036)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 60,028 (Avg: 10,005)
% decrease = -29.67%

[uRounds 1 to 8 Fixtures (54 in total)[/u
Total attendance for 54 fixtures in 2013 = 455,623 (Avg: 8,437)
Total attendance for same 54 fixtures in 2012 = 521,089 (Avg: 9,650)
% decrease = -12.56%

[uTotal home attendances per SL club in 2013 compared to same fixtures in 2012[/u

[uClub... Games... 2013... 2012... %loss/gain[/u
Leeds... 4... 58392... 59852... -2.44%
Wigan... 4... 55693... 61784... -9.86%
Warrington... 4... 43914... 46648... -5.86%
St Helens... 5... 52941... 71117... -25.56%
Hull... 3... 33516... 35990... -6.87%
Huddersfield... 4... 26448... 33569... -21.21%
Hull KR... 4... 29046... 29538... -1.67%
Bradford... 4... 34033... 43719... -22.16%
Catalan... 4... 28233... 35410... -20.27%
Wakefield... 3... 24690... 24154... +2.22%
Castleford... 4... 26911... 27547... -2.31%
Widnes... 3... 19724... 17718... +11.32%
London... 4... 8445... 10840... -22.09%
Salford... 4... 13637... 23203... -41.23%

TOTAL... 54... 455623... 521089... -12.56%

During the current franchised, 14 club, top 8 play-off system SL era... the total attendances in SL to date are the lowest we have ever witnessed! Not even the replacement of the poorly-supported Crusaders with the better-supported Widnes or the establishment of 2 new stadia can prevent the 2013 SL attendances from being the worst on record so far.

[uSL Rounds 1 to 8 total attendances comparison (2009 to 2013)[/u
=#FF0000SL 2013 - 455,623 from 54 fixtures.
SL 2012 - 521,089 from the same 54 fixtures.
SL 2011 - 486,812 from the same 54 fixtures, except replace Widnes with Crusaders.
SL 2010 - 477,001 from the same 54 fixtures, except replace Widnes with Crusaders.
SL 2009 - 475,544 from the same 54 fixtures, except replace Widnes with Crusaders.

[uSL 2013 % decrease in attendances[/u
V SL 2012 = -12.56%
V SL 2011 = -6.41%
V SL 2010 = -4.49%
V SL 2009 = -4.19%

Where were the games played? Only certain areas of the country had snow problems.

So the question is, if we want good attendances, what was so good about last season?

Cheap tickets?

What's wrong with this season?

Weather?

All those figures suggest to me is don't panic the sun will come!

In fairness Gutters those games, whilst cold, were not played in snow blizzards. I do believe there was sleet at the Wasps and Irish games, though. Of course there's no defending the Catalans (where have their missing 2000 gone?) or London crowds.

HKR is not a huge concern. Can't have been a big draw for their fans to venture out in zero degrees for a TV game against Cas. Saints, Wire and Wigan (whilst the blizzards didn't strike on Saturday, the Wigan area was like the North Pole) crowds were completely obliterated by the weather - as we will see looking back at the end of the year , these crowds were anomalies.

Nope it's time to accept that William is right and that the sport of RL in England is on the downward spiral to extinction in a few years.....and then when historians look back at the sport then they can say William spotted it first and for the first and only time in his life he'll finally become relevant......which is really what his 'agenda' is about....getting noticed for once, because it doesn't happen in his life away from the keyboard.





Oh and his numbers he's just produced are WRONG AGAIN but what's the point of correcting him and pointing it out when his followers will cry at you for getting things right and call you 'pedantic'.

No clearly not. If you can’t understand just ask an adult to help you.

Well there would be additional stewarding needed, it may involve opening parts of a stadium which wouldn’t otherwise be opened. Plus the cost of going out and actually attracting these extra people.

Im sure if an extra couple of thousand people turned up with no extra effort then yes, clearly they would have made more money, but that wasn’t an option was it. It has been proven that attendances don’t automatically correlate to profitability, why you would think different I don’t know.

First Up....poor old Bradford. According to Wiki they've got a 24hr turn around


[urlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Super_League_season_results#Round_9[/url

Last years "EASTER" corresponding fixtures Averaged 12,636
Last years actual corresponding fixtures Averaged 11,080
Easter 2011 averaged 12,097

For the Printer, these figures may be slightly out as I sourced them from a mixture of wiki (see above) and the RL Project website.....

Anyway Billy.....BEFORE the weekends festivities commence, what would be, in your opinion an acceptable average attendance?

So is Headingly all ticket entrance? , is there any pay on the gate?

If it is all ticket , do they sell tickets right up to kick off ?

So you now admit, more fans turning up for a game does increase income

You really are strange sometimes

sometimes

Let me make this simple for even you to understand. There is a positive relationship between higher attendances and profit/loss *when you correct for unrelated items*. For example, what the club happened to spend that year ( on anything, a new stand, bank interest, a payoff for redundacies, a new pitch, whatever - not to mention whatever the sponsorship happened to be that year) are all factors that determine the P &L in that particular year. To say "attendance doesn't track profit" on a year by year basis, might be technically true but only in the idiotic sense of failing to separate variables. You really are an absolute @&£%wit if you believe that higher attendances and profit are unrelated.

income and profitability are not the same. As we can quite clearly see.

For once in your miserable pathetic life, just answer the questions

Im guessing you arent even able to understand your own post judging by the amount of times you contradict yourself there.

So to use your words, attendance doesnt track profit, except it does,

but only when we ignore all other variables, but they are factors that determine the P+L,

but it is idiotic not to separate the variables, even though things like a new stand, bank interest, payoffs for redundancies, a new pitch whatever, i.e the variables are all factors that determine profit

but they are also *unrelated items* so should be ignored

That is quite impressively contradictory, well done on that, i would have been even more impressed however if your attempt to cover all bases by arguing both sides with yourself had actually achieved that aim. But it didnt.

Because clearly attendance and profitability are two different things.

Club A getting 10k at £50 per ticket, would make more revenue on their attendance, than Club B getting 20k at £10 per ticket.

Do we know which club is more profitable Club A or Club B? No because we dont know the respective outgoings, we dont know which makes more from corporate, sponsorship, secondary uses of the stadium, catering etc. In fact, all we do know, is one part, of one factor, of their revenue. A tiny fraction of the equation which decides profit or loss.

We arrive at the same figures above apart from your figure of 11,080 average for the corresponding fixtures last year which is 81,841/7=11,692 according to my figures.


Since he fails to back up any of his own stats on SL attendance totals by providing a list of individual attendances along with sources, his sundry and obsessive interjections may be considered irrelevant in their entirety.


On the basis of the previous attendance totals for the same fixtures (apart from having to replace the Widnes fixtures with the associated Crusaders fixtures circa 2009 to 2011) below...

SL 2012 = 81,841/7 = 11,692
SL 2011 = 81,360/7 = 11,623
SL 2010 = 77,879/7 = 11,126
SL 2009 = 82,139/7 = 11,734

... and factoring in the current [i"unacceptable"[/i decline in SL attendances in 2013 by over 12% for the same fixtures when compared to last year...

... I'd suggest a Thursday & Good Friday Easter attendance no more than 5% down on last year may be considered acceptable given the current climate of apathy for the regular season and other factors. Therefore, anything around 78,000 in total or an average of around 11,150 or above.

What's your acceptable figure?

UPDATE...
[uSL Round 9 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year[/u

London V Catalan in 2013 = 1,136
London V Catalan in 2012 = 1,829
Percentage decrease = -37.89%

Leeds V Bradford in 2013 = 16,604
Leeds V Bradford in 2012 = 18,520
Percentage decrease = -10.35%

44 out of 56 SL fixtures in 2013 have now registered a fall in attendance compared to the same fixtures between the same teams last year.

Total attendance for 56 SL fixtures in 2013 = 473,363 (Avg: 8,453)
Total attendance for same 56 SL fixtures in 2012 = 541,438 (Avg: 9,669)
% decrease = -12.57%

But did you enjoy the match?

You got back from Headingley pretty fast

The 16,604 attendance at Headingley tonight was the lowest for a regular season Leeds V Bradford derby game since 2002.

Thanks for letting me know

But did you enjoy the game? It would be a shame if you'd missed actual rugby league to calculate attendance figures.

1,136 for a Full Time SL club. That maths donta add up! Respect for David Hughes, poor chap.

He didn't watch it