Quote ="Fc_exile"A really good article below from Jim Mansell regarding Sam Burgess and SPOTY www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... -clue.html'" Have a look at the map I posted. The red dots in a line make it easy to ignore league......and your great article is linked from a site that doesn't have RL as a tabbed sport.

Quote ="Fc_exile"A really good article below from Jim Mansell regarding Sam Burgess and SPOTY www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... -clue.html'" Have a look at the map I posted. The red dots in a line make it easy to ignore league......and your great article is linked from a site that doesn't have RL as a tabbed sport.

Give it a rest....geezzzz

Why? Burgess played a minority sport in rugby league that gets little national coverage in the media. ....any media. He played this minority sport 12,000 miles away and the only people that would have seen him on tv would have had to subscribe to a channel that is niche, to say the least.
what in any of the above facts gives bitter and narrow minded fools the impression tht the bbc should have nominated him for a prize that he doesnt qualify for?
for those who have a problem with the popularity of union over league and who struggle with words of more than one syllable, there is handy visual aid with red and blue dots that underlines the gulf between the sports.......

I see Mr Secure felt so secure that he's had to bitch and whine about the topic on yet another thread, complete with maps and everything. His ironic tale about insecurity is hilarious given his continued need to bite and counter attack every little anti-RU post on this board.

What relevance does geographical spread, media coverage or attendances have on Sports Personality candidates?

In terms of the nrl, a competition that most brits dont even know exists, loads.

Good map isnt it!

It's irrelevant, it's about sporting achievements. Not who is the most popular.
Dressage or Gymnastics aren't exactly well watched sports
Burgess's heroics actually got quite a bit of media attention anyways.

Yep. Poor old Gutters, a bit like Lance Hohaia having a go at Ben Flower, he didn't think this one through.

Oohh....quite a bit of media attention. Id skip spoty and get on to the Vatican then....

Not really, it smacks of desperation (unsurprisingly) and incompletion.

A proper comparison map would've been Super League vs Aviva Premiership......you've felt the (increasing) desperate need the add the Welsh, Irish and Scottish teams from the Guinness Pro 12 to make it look even more wide spread. The lack of Treviso and Zebre make your inclusion of the other Pro 12 even more pointless.

It's a good map.

It's about as good and convincing as your claim that you were once an influential guy in the London Broncos club scene.

Never claimed anything of the sort......but you know that

Of course you didn't

Link to it then? Good luck with that...

I remember Carl fogarty not getting a look in after his 4th world superbike title.
If the sport doesn't fit in with the bbc way you have no chance..

From the Daily Mail [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2871286/Sam-Burgess-snub-Sports-Personality-Year-joke-BBC-British-viewing-public-don-t-clue.htmlRUGBY UNION SECTION[/url

I think a better map would be one that showed all of the RU and RL clubs, irrespective of grade as that would be more representative of interest.

A map of the football premiership is hardly one that shows a well distributed sport, London, M62 Corridor, Birmingham and Newcastle with Southampton and Swansea there too. Just one team south of Crystal Palace. A line from London to Hull hit's no other teams.

Lizzy Yarnold. Gold Medal at the winter OLYMPICS..only the 10th ever gold for GB. BBC covers the Olympics.
Max Whitlock. Multi medal winning gymnast, including Commonwealth, WORLD Champs and European games..all covered by the BBC
Adam Peaty. Commonwealth golds, 4 European Golds and a WORLD record.
Jo Pavey. Oldest ever Gold medal winner at the EUROPEAN championships
Rory McIlroy. WORLDS best golfer who won 2 of the 4 biggest tournaments in the WORLD.
Lewis Hamilton. WORLD CHAMPION
Kelly Gallagher & Charlotte Evans. First ever British winners of Gold at the WINTER PARALYMPICS
Carl Froch: WORLD CHAMPION
Charlotte Dujardin: The first British equestrian rider to be OLYMPIC, WORLD AND EUROPEAN champion at the same time.
Gareth Bale: The most expensive football player in the WORLD.

Of all of the above, only Gareth Bale should consider himself fortunate to be nominated and I doubt he'd be there at all if it weren't for Wales qualifiers (were they even shown on the BBC?)......the rest are all at the top of their sports globally, sports that are contended or played by more than 3 nations at the top level.

The Olympics, World and European Athletics, PGA tour, Formula one, Paralympics and Commonwealth games are all competitions involving dozens of nationalities, represented by people born in the countries they represent.

Sam Burgess played no international sport in 2014 and domestically, he played in a foreign competition not shown on the BBC. The Rugby league that is shown on the BBC contains either challenge cup games featuring teams from a single motorway corridor and a token French club, or a highlights show featuring teams from a single motorway corridor and a token French club.....

What next? Fat Nigel for Prime Minister?

See, I'm going to have to check that list of yours. You have a habit of massively inflating sporting achievements.

Did Charlotte Dujardin really become Olympic, World & European champion or did she just step in some horse sh|t once by accident?

As long as it's the kn0b that is Hamilton doesn't win I'm not fussed

Carl Froch is the luckiest one to be on the shortlist. He only had one fight which admittedly he did win well but against an opponent he was expected to beat comfortably several months prior but he didn't take him seriously enough. Even if it was a top 20 shortlist I wouldn't have him in it.

Amen to that

Unsure if i should puke or trash my television when he did his segment. What a boring, arrogant self serving little oik.

There's a thin line between being a fan and stalking......careful now.




Dujardin currently holds the complete set of the available individual elite dressage titles; the individual Olympic freestyle, World freestyle and Grand Prix Special, and European freestyle and Grand Prix Special titles. Dujardin is the first, and to date only, rider to hold this complete set of titles at the same time.
In addition, she forms part of the current Great Britain team for Team Dressage; as such she is also the current Olympic, and a former European, Team Dressage champion.
Olympics Dressage featured teams from germany, Australia, GB, Spain, USA, Denmark, Sweden, Holland, Poland and Canada. Other than GB and Aussie, I am sure these countries have a few pub RL sides, but I suspect that most of the riders representing Germany, Australia, GB, Spain, USA, Denmark, Sweden, Holland, Poland and Canada WERE ACTUALLY BORN IN Germany, Australia, GB, Spain, USA, Denmark, Sweden, Holland, Poland and Canada....making them proper international sports with proper international reach.

Sam Burgess plied his trade in a foreign domestic sporting comp, like Gareth Bale. I suspect more of the British Public have heard of la liga and Real Madrid than even know what the NRL and Rabbitohs are.