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| Quote ="Bulls4"It’s just another thread drift of tit for tat ‘you’re a troll, no you’re a troll’.
No one comes out as a winner and even when you make valid points they are lost in the guff.
On subject, as has been said I can’t see how 2 x 10 solves the issues we have at the moment in the game without a significant money injection. Moving two down into a rebranded championship (and kicking out the bottom six into the wilderness) won’t change anything in my view.'"
Not sure it's random thread drift, the one troll (was it capdouze) was banned and came back in two personas, Steph and Silent.
Once they were binned off guess what, two more trolls so that's a big giveway. It's just one twisted person for my money
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| Quote ="Bulls4" I can’t see how 2 x 10 solves the issues we have at the moment in the game without a significant money injection. Moving two down into a rebranded championship (and kicking out the bottom six into the wilderness) won’t change anything in my view.'"
Are they looking for "change"?
Had the deal come in at the same money there may have been no change so it seems reasonable to conclude ten clubs may want a good share of the lesser money believing they deliver the SKY contract and they may be right.
Have you considered SL raising the number of SL teams to 20 "changes" who controls the game....
I think it's clearly a power grab.
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| For me...everyone is looking at this too one dimensionally! Who said you MUST have LOOP fixtures?!!
Yes, if we fudge it with 3x games against the other 9 teams in your tier then it will become a bore fest, but they should do it exactly how I proposed it about ten years ago!
Two divisions of ten, but rather than make them two separate divisions, your fixtures would be,
- Home and Away vs all clubs in your tier (1icon_cool.gif,
- PLUS 1 game against clubs in the 2nd tier (10 -5 home / 5 away -odds and evens)
- Total of 28 fixtures
SL1
Catalan
St Helens
Warrington
Wigan
Leeds
HKR
Hull FC
Castleford
Toulouse
London
SL2
Huddersfield
Wakefield
Salford
Leigh
Bradford
Featherstone
York
Halifax
York
Widnes
So you'd have 28 fixtures but limit the number of possible blow out games between SL1 and SL2 sides. Also - there would be a requirement for SL1 teams to have at least 3 or 5 U22 players in games vs SL2 opposition - to act as a balancer but also to ensure clubs were developing their own talent.
I think itd work exceptionally well and capture the imagination - all clubs competing against each other at the right level, and SL1 for the glamour fixtures to drive the game forward.
Imagine - 1 game Featherstone v Castleford each season or Leigh v Wigan, York v Leeds. Bradford v Leeds etc. The games between the two tiers actualy start to become mouthwatering as there is only one of them per season.
You can also add to this structure - ie/ if Sheffield / Newcastle etc wish to be a part you can start to move to two 11s/ two 12s etc if you can grow revenues into the game!! Works perfectly.
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| Quote ="afootingmiracle21-12"For me...everyone is looking at this too one dimensionally! Who said you MUST have LOOP fixtures?!!
Yes, if we fudge it with 3x games against the other 9 teams in your tier then it will become a bore fest, but they should do it exactly how I proposed it about ten years ago!
Two divisions of ten, but rather than make them two separate divisions, your fixtures would be,
- Home and Away vs all clubs in your tier (1icon_cool.gif,
- PLUS 1 game against clubs in the 2nd tier (10 -5 home / 5 away -odds and evens)
- Total of 28 fixtures
SL1
Catalan
St Helens
Warrington
Wigan
Leeds
HKR
Hull FC
Castleford
Toulouse
London
SL2
Huddersfield
Wakefield
Salford
Leigh
Bradford
Featherstone
York
Halifax
York
Widnes
So you'd have 28 fixtures but limit the number of possible blow out games between SL1 and SL2 sides. Also - there would be a requirement for SL1 teams to have at least 3 or 5 U22 players in games vs SL2 opposition - to act as a balancer but also to ensure clubs were developing their own talent.
I think itd work exceptionally well and capture the imagination - all clubs competing against each other at the right level, and SL1 for the glamour fixtures to drive the game forward.
Imagine - 1 game Featherstone v Castleford each season or Leigh v Wigan, York v Leeds. Bradford v Leeds etc. The games between the two tiers actualy start to become mouthwatering as there is only one of them per season.
You can also add to this structure - ie/ if Sheffield / Newcastle etc wish to be a part you can start to move to two 11s/ two 12s etc if you can grow revenues into the game!! Works perfectly.'"
Spot on. Beware though. I recommended this and had been tagged a troll
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| Quote ="afootingmiracle21-12"For me...everyone is looking at this too one dimensionally! Who said you MUST have LOOP fixtures?!!
Yes, if we fudge it with 3x games against the other 9 teams in your tier then it will become a bore fest, but they should do it exactly how I proposed it about ten years ago!
Two divisions of ten, but rather than make them two separate divisions, your fixtures would be,
- Home and Away vs all clubs in your tier (1icon_cool.gif,
- PLUS 1 game against clubs in the 2nd tier (10 -5 home / 5 away -odds and evens)
- Total of 28 fixtures
SL1
Catalan
St Helens
Warrington
Wigan
Leeds
HKR
Hull FC
Castleford
Toulouse
London
SL2
Huddersfield
Wakefield
Salford
Leigh
Bradford
Featherstone
York
Halifax
York
Widnes
So you'd have 28 fixtures but limit the number of possible blow out games between SL1 and SL2 sides. Also - there would be a requirement for SL1 teams to have at least 3 or 5 U22 players in games vs SL2 opposition - to act as a balancer but also to ensure clubs were developing their own talent.
I think itd work exceptionally well and capture the imagination - all clubs competing against each other at the right level, and SL1 for the glamour fixtures to drive the game forward.
Imagine - 1 game Featherstone v Castleford each season or Leigh v Wigan, York v Leeds. Bradford v Leeds etc. The games between the two tiers actualy start to become mouthwatering as there is only one of them per season.
You can also add to this structure - ie/ if Sheffield / Newcastle etc wish to be a part you can start to move to two 11s/ two 12s etc if you can grow revenues into the game!! Works perfectly.'"
Why are York putting 2 teams in?
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| Quote ="orangeman" I recommended this '"
I wondered where he got that nonsense from.......
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"Why are York putting 2 teams in?
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Is the second "York" actually New York??
Weren't they scheduled for a 2022 entry to the game here???
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| Quote ="afootingmiracle21-12"For me...everyone is looking at this too one dimensionally! Who said you MUST have LOOP fixtures?!!
Yes, if we fudge it with 3x games against the other 9 teams in your tier then it will become a bore fest, but they should do it exactly how I proposed it about ten years ago!
Two divisions of ten, but rather than make them two separate divisions, your fixtures would be,
- Home and Away vs all clubs in your tier (1icon_cool.gif,
- PLUS 1 game against clubs in the 2nd tier (10 -5 home / 5 away -odds and evens)
- Total of 28 fixtures
SL1
Catalan
St Helens
Warrington
Wigan
Leeds
HKR
Hull FC
Castleford
Toulouse
London
SL2
Huddersfield
Wakefield
Salford
Leigh
Bradford
Featherstone
York
Halifax
York
Widnes
So you'd have 28 fixtures but limit the number of possible blow out games between SL1 and SL2 sides. Also - there would be a requirement for SL1 teams to have at least 3 or 5 U22 players in games vs SL2 opposition - to act as a balancer but also to ensure clubs were developing their own talent.
I think itd work exceptionally well and capture the imagination - all clubs competing against each other at the right level, and SL1 for the glamour fixtures to drive the game forward.
Imagine - 1 game Featherstone v Castleford each season or Leigh v Wigan, York v Leeds. Bradford v Leeds etc. The games between the two tiers actualy start to become mouthwatering as there is only one of them per season.
You can also add to this structure - ie/ if Sheffield / Newcastle etc wish to be a part you can start to move to two 11s/ two 12s etc if you can grow revenues into the game!! Works perfectly.'" No! Loop fixtures are not the way to go but neither are Mickey Mouse structures that just generate confusion.
The game and its fans crave stability and clarity and all we're getting from leadership are obfuscation and every other person's crackpot structure that takes 5,000 words to explain.
THE STRUCTURE OF THE GAME IS NOT THE ISSUE. LEAVE IT ALONE.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"No! Loop fixtures are not the way to go but neither are Mickey Mouse structures that just generate confusion.
The game and its fans crave stability and clarity and all we're getting from leadership are obfuscation and every other person's crackpot structure that takes 5,000 words to explain. THE STRUCTURE OF THE GAME IS NOT THE ISSUE. LEAVE IT ALONE.'"
The "Leadership" have strongly indicated two times 10.
The fans obviously will toy with all sorts of things. The thing I'm toying with is will SL be an 18 game league with Magic game added??
This heavy cut in games offered to SKY will match their heavy cut in the SKY deal, but I think it's absolutely clear Loop fixtures will be essential.
What is the economic argument against Warrington.v.Wigan a third time against Salford.v.Feathestone (no offence here)
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99" THE STRUCTURE OF THE GAME IS NOT THE ISSUE. LEAVE IT ALONE.'"
With apparently no agreement likely on the structure I now hear they will "leave it alone" and leave League One to take most of the hit.......
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| Quote ="Donnyman"With apparently no agreement likely on the structure I now hear they will "leave it alone" and leave League One to take most of the hit.......'"
Things are changing daily..
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| Quote ="atomic"Things are changing daily..'"
Donnyman is in constant dialogue with Ian Leneghan so I think he knows more than yoy
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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"Donnyman is in constant dialogue with Ian Leneghan so I think he knows more than yoy'"
Also you.
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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"Donnyman is in constant dialogue with Ian Leneghan so I think he knows more than yoy'"
Whose yoy?
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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"Donnyman is in constant dialogue with Ian Leneghan so I think he knows more than you'"
Sad to see this clown still trolling openly on here whilst he builds up his "Ismir Zaferi" character on Total RL.
His mode of operating has been to run two trolls (see Slient H and Steph Curry) on the same site, so if one gets a ban the other can carry on which didn't work last time but is working now.
He can currently troll both sites, so he's probably very pleased indeed at that................ One over on the Mods......
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| Quote ="Willzay"Whose yoy?'"
You won't get near a hit with that mate. His TRL thread is entitled "The amazing success of expansion"
It argues every expansion club in modern times is either a great success or great legacy. The shockwaves of kent Invicta and Southend invicta still apparently resonate in the south east of the country. whilst Wolfpacks "return" is a major triumph.
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This is the link you were looking for.....
[urlhttps://www.seriousaboutrl.com/rugby-league-structure-update-as-plans-shelved-45046/[/url
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This is the link you were looking for.....
[urlhttps://www.seriousaboutrl.com/rugby-league-structure-update-as-plans-shelved-45046/[/url
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| Quote ="orangeman"This is the link you were looking for.....
[urlhttps://www.seriousaboutrl.com/rugby-league-structure-update-as-plans-shelved-45046/[/url'"
The link I've provided shows rimmer has no clue to the future of the game as is asking everyone for their opinion
My opinion he should stand down and let some one else have go as I have no confidence in him at all
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| Quote ="snowie"The link I've provided shows rimmer has no clue to the future of the game as is asking everyone for their opinion
My opinion he should stand down and let some one else have go as I have no confidence in him at all'"
soz...my misread your intent.
I agree about Rimmer, but he's not alone in the dock. As everyone knows, it is the "money" that runs professional sport, so we have SKY followed by a handful of SL owners who dictate the way the game is run, at least in the top 2 or 3 tiers.
The Middle 8's was designed to allow aspirant owners, currently not at the top table, to have a crack whilst also lighting a fire under those owners who were perhaps "happy" with mid table.
Wakefield, Bradford, Salford, HKR, Leigh, Catalans, London, Toronto all took part in the "game of death", but such jeopardy wasn't for everyone, so we returned to one up one down inside 4 seaons.....franchising was given slightly longer and dare i say it only covid has stopped the deckchairs being moved on the titanic again this year.
The sport needs an independent leader.....one that doesn't "heel" to the SL owners, but has "THE GAME" at the forefront of all decisions...sadly it won't happen in my lifetime.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"Sad to see this clown still trolling openly on here whilst he builds up his "Ismir Zaferi" character on Total RL.
His mode of operating has been to run two trolls (see Slient H and Steph Curry) on the same site, so if one gets a ban the other can carry on which didn't work last time but is working now.
He can currently troll both sites, so he's probably very pleased indeed at that................ One over on the Mods......'"
Please leave me out of your gossip column.
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| The way the game is run is nothing short of a farce. No vision, no future planning. Its just make it up as one goes along.
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| Quote ="puroresu_boy"If it happens it won't last long. Its a terrible idea and it won't take long for another format to be proposed.'"
If it happens it won't last long, because this is rugby league.
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| Take you pick from 2 leagues of 10, 12 or 14. The Australian model, promotion & relegation or franchising, play offs with 4, 5, 6 or 8 teams, FPTP, some will like it, others won’t. There isn’t one model that will satisfy all.
Personally I quite like the idea of franchising 20 teams into 2 divisions of 10. Play each team in your group twice and each team in the other once. Promotion and relegation between the 2. Top 5 playoff in each to determine the champions and the bottom of the top tier is relegated.
Review the franchises every X years where any team which has finished in the bottom 2 or 3 of the second tier has to bid and new teams can apply for the next period.
All I really long for though is a stable format that we stick with as this changing every 4 or 5 years does my head in.
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| Is there any truth in the rumours that the CC will be restructured into a champions league style format?
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