Quote ="Donnyman"Some "incoming" from Mr. Perez....... https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... withdrawal Particularly interesting how the great man tells us that Covid will not get in the way of Ottawa's march to the top. He is assembling a team of players from here and France, and if they can't play in Canada I assume they will be playing all their home games here. So will we be welcoming the next [iCanadian Club[/i next season, in a season where they won't play a single Canadian player or play within 3,000 miles of Canada? I'm going to expand the game to Mongolia, Ulan Bator Rugby league Football Club. We're going to play at Batley, get all our players from England apart from a couple of Outer Monglian lads we will pay to wear the number 28 and 29 shirts for the season, and mingle with the crowd for the games. They won't get a game though. '" Damn, you have stolen my idea. I was gonna start the Ulan Bator Bulls playing in Barnsley. It's a bit of treck north for me,for home games, but I figured it is close, ish to the heartlands.

Quote ="Donnyman"Some "incoming" from Mr. Perez....... https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... withdrawal Particularly interesting how the great man tells us that Covid will not get in the way of Ottawa's march to the top. He is assembling a team of players from here and France, and if they can't play in Canada I assume they will be playing all their home games here. So will we be welcoming the next [iCanadian Club[/i next season, in a season where they won't play a single Canadian player or play within 3,000 miles of Canada? I'm going to expand the game to Mongolia, Ulan Bator Rugby league Football Club. We're going to play at Batley, get all our players from England apart from a couple of Outer Monglian lads we will pay to wear the number 28 and 29 shirts for the season, and mingle with the crowd for the games. They won't get a game though. '" Damn, you have stolen my idea. I was gonna start the Ulan Bator Bulls playing in Barnsley. It's a bit of treck north for me,for home games, but I figured it is close, ish to the heartlands.

Neither is interested in money Argyle has Billions, and Perez get's by but loves the spotlight.....

Lets start with Argylle. He was born in Perth Australia and is a mad keen RL fan. He made and continues to make a fortune from mining, but he could not get into ownership at an NRL club. In Canada he met Perez who ran the 2010 founded CRL and together they cooked up the plan to get Argyle into Superleague here. The rest is history as they made it to Superleague but never bothered with any aspect of expansion which SL bosses defined as expanding the professional player pool and expanding the TV deals.

Perez promised both and delivered neither. Once Melbourne Storm's owner decided he would like someone to invest with Argyle was the man who put his hand up for that, and has dropped all interest in TWP like a child may eventually throw away his latest toy once bored with it/has a better toy to play with.

Perez is a great marketing man but he prefers to muck about in the Rugby league game. He didn't manage to achieve much "expansion" with Canada RL and Ottawa is the same plan Toronto followed. Sign all your players from here and play more here than you do in Canada.

The similarity even goes down to signing English players from the same club. Perez & Argyle took a load of Leigh lads for the core of his "Canadian" team. Perez has just signed his fifth Widnes player for Ottawa. There is nothing "cynical" about doubting Perez's expansion credentials, His track record is doing what suits Eric Perez which is running around being the big chief executive of a club that can attract media attention so he can be in the spotlight all the time.

When he lost his spotlight place at Toronto, he went to Bradford to stay in the limelight, and has now gone to Ottawa boasting of what they are going to do, same nonsense all over again. Above all Perez knows in our game he can get a very easy ride from RL journo's.............

Last two paragraphs. agreed.

Well you can't disagree Perez set TWP targets loud and clear in his interview with Dave Woods still on you tube. Neither target was met. Fact,

Anyway what of Ottawa Aces who are in the here and now?

[i"Ottawa Aces’ plans for their inaugural year were put under the microscope in a meeting of Championship and League 1 clubs last week. Perez was questioned about the logistics of his club’s introduction to the league amid a global pandemic that threatens to restrict its ability to play games in Canada. It’s believed that the Aces have made contingency plans should they have to play in the UK next year but that hasn’t satisfied some clubs, who simply do not see the benefit of Ottawa entering the league if they aren’t able to play in Canada. Even if travel is permitted, the price of air travel has sky-rocketed as a result of the demise of many airlines, allowing those that remain to raise costs to a premium………………….."[/i

Championship clubs getting jumpy over an English team playing in England all next year. pretending to be something they ain't........

I agreed. It's all a bit too chaotic. Are Bradford Council/RFL in change of the negotiations?

With no new owner of Salford ever likely it is also highly likely HKR will find no buyer either. Garry Schofield points to Wakefield and the [i"Where's Carter"[/i concern and indicates that (with respect) Huddersfield will be in the same boat in time. Add into that the certainty £200,000,000 is not coming Superleagues way again when the new SKY deal comes in and it looks like the game is set for a major crisis, regardless of Covid.

What then can stop the rot?

Well it appears that Canadian money is going to be the solution. Ottawa Aces apparently have a rich consortium, and if Toronto pull some multi-Million owners out of the bag tomorrow then that may be all they need to rescue TWP's SL place. For several years now Toronto's failing on the original criteria for entry, that being to develop Canadian players and TV deals in Canada has led to doubts about the continuance of the North American dream.

But suggestions in the RL press this morning seem to indicate an about face on criteria such that Toronto are being praised for their "10,000" crowds and also praised for outdoing the Toronto Arrows MLR team on crowds. That Toronto Arrows are a club that are at the head of a much stronger Canadian Rugby Union, that the Arrows have many Canadian players, and that their lower crowds may well pay their way in rather than come in on thousands of freebies doesn't seem to matter.

Maybe Perez's great confidence over Ottawa was in the knowledge Superleague were stuffed for money from the double whammy of less rich owners and less SKY money, and rich Canadian clubs now have the door open to them. That Superleague have had their private talks on the matter, and tomorrow only Elstone is to meet with Toronto it seems a deal is already done, hence Tony Smith indicates Hudgell walked on this matter. Maybe carter will go Wednesday?

IF this comes to pass and we get our "transatlantic" league, I can only think that the top SL bosses may believe that they can go on hogging the trophies and use the canadian sides as cannon fodder instead of Wakefield, HKR, Huddersfield and Salford providing them an easy 4/6 points each...... Desperate times indeed??

How many posts about the same thing are allowed on here?

Do we really need another anti Canadian expansion thread ??

Until we can get supporters back into the grounds, the game is going to go downhill fast, not to mention getting kids playing the game in schools and at their local clubs.

How many more threads on the same subject ???

You can troll your way to a mini victory if the subject is dismissed as "another expansion thread" which it is not.

It's about the collapse of HKR and the game losing Hudgell and likely your own club losing Carter and equally going down the pan.

How do you work out this is "expansion"??

It's this mornings big news, by all means play your silly games whilst your club burns

So a gigantic about face by Superleague is just [i"the same thing"[/i and isn't hot news



Sorry if the thread is getting in the way of yours and Wrencat's interesting threads you two have started

Problem is, like all your other threads, it will just turn into the same old pro/anti North American expansion argument.

Then don't join in.

The fact is Hudgell walked a few days ago, and Carter is also looking less interested. The decision to admit TWP again is merely the catalyst for a serious split between the Superleague club owners. That's the subject.

This can't fairly be classed as an "expansion" discussion when it's primarily about a split in Superleagues ownership ranks that could threaten the game here. However keep on trolling if you want, wherever the discussion is sent to I'll be making my points on the actual news and fall out from the same. I won't be trolling people like you two.

When/where is Carter going ?

As for Hudgell, do you think he would walk away and allow KR to disappear or, do you think that he may have a plan.
For a bloke who has been so utterly committed to KR for such a length of time, do you really think that he would just walk away and allow them to implode ??

You call me a troll and fill yer boots, I dont give a toss what label you want to give me but, you just make stuff up and it has all the odour M. Capdouze,.albeit in a opposite incarnation.

Please show us the link of Carter wanting out or, perhaps just give it a rest, there's a good lad

I think we need to re-name the VT.

I could put forward a few suggestions



It's difficult to decide if all of these threads are click bait but, I actually miss Jean.
He was predictable but occasionally humourous but, this guy, has essence of truth and then just makes stuff up around it that suits his agenda, it's tedious.

With Carter's severe dislike for social media, he ought to deal with him for spreading malicious rumours

Just give Donnyman his own forum, where he can witter away until his heart is content.

Or maybe, the moderators could simply lock the numerous expansion threads that he has kept active and tell him to get out more?

Donnyman. Please can you provide evidence that hudgell is walking away because of Toronto? Also, can you provide evidence that carter is walking away? Maybe some of the Wakefield fans can post Donnymans libellous comment on their forum as mr carter posts on there. I’m sure he would love to hear this

[url=https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/tony-smith-toronto-super-league-4463615[uTony Smith explains here[/u[/url

The trouble with you Steph is, you are quick requiring evidence before doing your homework. Must do better.

As I said, essence of truth, embellished with personal agenda.

The problem with Tony Smith is that he's gone from a club with an owner who would, and who did, give him all the funds he needed and wanted, to a club with an owner who couldn't provide him with a pot to p!$s in and, not surprisingly, he is probably very frustrated.

His barbed comments towards Toronto, while he has a point, just sound like the words of a man who knows he has took on an impossible job.

Where is the evidence? so personal opinion equals evidence now?

Smith understands that Toronto will rejoin the competition next year come what may, suggesting it played a part in Neil Hudgell’s decision to leave the sport.

“I could see him getting disillusioned with some stuff throughout some challenging times,” said Smith.

"some stuff" could be a whole myriad of different things ?? not least the challenges of dealing with falling revenue both at KR and within his own business empire, managing any debt that KR have to service, an unhappy coach (let's face it, Smith rarely seems overjoyed about anything

).
Toronto being in SL are the least of his problems.
I'm pretty sure that most clubs will be concentrating on getting through this season and wondering how the hell they put a competitive squad together for next season with so many variables out of their control.
Most players have taken a cut in salary to get through this season so, what do you do when signing ne players and were any contract payments deferred, in the expectation that we would return to normal relatively quickly.
Just about every business faces some jeopardy here and KR (along with every other RL club) are certainly not exempt

The comment that you highlighted could refer to anything

That's the point. Don't worry about the silly trolling.

Something is going on and it's probably money.

Koucash left Salford, Hudgell has left HKR, people were worried Carter had left Wakefield, and with deep respect nobody is likely to take over from Ken Davey.

SKY money is ready to drop by a very significant amount, no money to Championship clubs if it drops below £150,000. The clubs who provide the cannon fodder for Leeds, Saints Wigan and Warrington who have hogged the trophies for 24 years now are no longer attractive to rich owners.

If TWP are prepared to lose millions for some years to come and Ottawa too they can be the new whipping boys.

Put yourself in Neil Hudgell's position, his task ended up being making up the numbers for other owners to enjoy. Crossland jumped ship on this so Hudgell has now gone as well.

That task meant spending £Millions to put a team on the pitch for Lenegan, Caddick, Moran and McManus's sides to slaughter on a regular basis.

I think Gausch gets it as he's put all his money into a big time side.

Take all this forward and what do we get?

Leeds
Wigan
Saints
Wire
Catalans

Toronto
New York
Ottawa
Etc

The latter clubs can be the new whipping boys and may in time provide an NATV deal of sorts, for without that the game here becomes more and more a nursery for NRL clubs as they raid Academies here.

You may have seen a few articles and suggestions about a "draft" system for clubs to put their SL squads together from, to make the competition more even. In the end - and this is speculation I agree, the top owners here probably just want to carry on winning most of their games and being involved in Wembley and Old Trafford. Top SL bosses need some new money and whipping boys. North America may be perfect......

Koucash left Salford, Hudgell has left HKR, people were worried Carter had left Wakefield, and with deep respect nobody is likely to take over from Ken Davey.

The only part of this paragraph that is true is Koucash HAS left Salford.
The rest is incorrect.

Hudgell has announced that he is LEAVING (not left)
Carter is very much STILL at Wakefield _ no longer Chairman but STILL CEO
Davey will carry on at Huddersfield while ever he's still breathing.

Please stop blurting out lies and half truths. I know its hard but, you CAN do it, go on, give it a go

Also, what are you on about Hudgell being tasked with investing millions just to make up the numbers ??

Surely he is trying to help turn KR into a top SL side ??
The fact that they haven't achieve this is down to KR themselves, not really down to anyone else preventing them from doing so.
Mind you, as their "more illustrious" neighbours have found, getting into the top 4/5 and stating there is a far from simple task. Even the mighty Leeds have struggled to get there in recent years.

Bottom line is that it takes huge and sustained investment to make it to the top (and to stay there) and a few poor decisions with players and coaching staff can soon see a fall from grace - again, you're just making stuff up.