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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Are you seriously suggesting that Martin Ridyard is a better half back than William Barthau or Stanislaus Robin?'"
Stanislas is his name I believe, albeit your spelling is apparently the "Latinized" version of that. Regardless, of the three I'd certainly rather have Riddy in my team.
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"The 3 named, Josh Walters, Jordan Lilley and Nathaniel Peteru played for Featherstone this weekend. Other Leeds players, such as Ash Handley, Mikolaj Oledzki, Harry Newman and Jack Ormondroyd have played earlier in the season. I would say that’s heavily reliant.
These players can be recalled by their club, Leeds Rhinos, at a moments notice. However after round 23 they can only play for either Leeds or Featherstone. Leeds will keep the players for the Super 8’s incase they pick up injuries.'"
Wrong - if the 2 clubs are in different 8s (almost certain) and a player has played in 5 or more games either on loan or DR, they can play for both.
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"Wrong - if the 2 clubs are in different 8s (almost certain) and a player has played in 5 or more games either on loan or DR, they can play for both.'"
I believe it is the case that in order to play for a club on DR during the post-split section of the season that any given player has to have played the 5+ games pre-split as you say (to protect the integrity of the business end of the competition). However they can't switch between the parent club and DR club post-split, they can only play for one (it is up to the parent club if they allow them to stay on DR or not). This is due to the post split games being an extended play off system. If Lilley (for example) was allowed to play for Fev post-split he would only be allowed to play for them.
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| Quote ="wiganermike"I believe it is the case that in order to play for a club on DR during the post-split section of the season that any given player has to have played the 5+ games pre-split as you say (to protect the =#FF0000integrity of the business end of the competition). However they can't switch between the parent club and DR club post-split, they can only play for one (it is up to the parent club if they allow them to stay on DR or not). This is due to the post split games being an extended play off system. If Lilley (for example) was allowed to play for Fev post-split he would only be allowed to play for them.'"
How can you possibly use the word "integrity" when discussing modern day Rugby League?
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| I don't think trying to explain actual scenarios to Jean / Kev, whatever personality is at the fore today is of any use, their / his mind is made up on a narrative and that is being stuck to. Their fear that "Frivolous Featherstone" may pip their darling Toulouse to anything is quite hilarious however.
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| Quote ="wiganermike"I believe it is the case that in order to play for a club on DR during the post-split section of the season that any given player has to have played the 5+ games pre-split as you say (to protect the integrity of the business end of the competition). However they can't switch between the parent club and DR club post-split, they can only play for one (it is up to the parent club if they allow them to stay on DR or not). This is due to the post split games being an extended play off system. If Lilley (for example) was allowed to play for Fev post-split he would only be allowed to play for them.'"
The second paragraph of Operational Rule C1:2:7 (pages 87-88 of the Tier 1-3 ORs) is quite specific that if a player is DR'd and has played 5 or more games on loan or DR the 'one club rule' only applies when both clubs are in the same competition.
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| I suspect that this keeps changing. I'm pretty sure that what wiganermike said used to be the case (a DR player can only play for either the DR club or his registered club). The 2017 rules allowed a DR player to swap and change in the 8's (so long as in a different competition) as long as they'd played at least 8 times for the DR club in the regular season. The 2018 rules reduce that to 5 times or more.
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| Quote ="HXSparky"I suspect that this keeps changing. I'm pretty sure that what wiganermike said used to be the case (a DR player can only play for either the DR club or his registered club). The 2017 rules allowed a DR player to swap and change in the 8's (so long as in a different competition) as long as they'd played at least 8 times for the DR club in the regular season. The 2018 rules reduce that to 5 times or more.'"
Yep, these rules change every year so it's no wonder clubs get confused, nevermind supporters!
up to 2016: you had to play 8 or more times (I think, but could have been 7- although at least one club ignored this rule and escaped with no more than a slap on the wrist even though they avoided relegation through winning the game the player was involved in) as a DR to be able to play for the DR club in the 8s but you could only play for one or the other club
2017: play 8 times or more and you could play for both if they were in different competitions (8s)
2018: play 5 times or more and you can play for both if they are in different competitions (8s)
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"Yep, these rules change every year so it's no wonder clubs get confused, nevermind supporters!
up to 2016: you had to play 8 or more times (I think, but could have been 7- although at least one club ignored this rule and escaped with no more than a slap on the wrist even though they avoided relegation through winning the game the player was involved in) as a DR to be able to play for the DR club in the 8s but you could only play for one or the other club
2017: play 8 times or more and you could play for both if they were in different competitions (8s)
2018: play 5 times or more and you can play for both if they are in different competitions (8s)'"
I wasn't aware that they had changed the rules, let alone on such a regular basis. I know that Wigan were quite vocal a few years ago about it (I don't think they were the only club either) as there were a few fringe players who ended up not playing post-split as it was too risky to let them stay on DR in case injuries hit, and when injuries didn't happen lads too old for the U19s were left to kick their heels.
The rules as they are now are better for players as they can still be sent out to get game time should they qualify to do so if not needed.
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"Yep, these rules change every year so it's no wonder clubs get confused, nevermind supporters!
up to 2016: =#80BF00you had to play 8 or more times (I think, but could have been 7- although at least one club ignored this rule and escaped with no more than a slap on the wrist even though they avoided relegation through winning the game the player was involved in) as a DR to be able to play for the DR club in the 8s but you could only play for one or the other club
2017: play 8 times or more and you could play for both if they were in different competitions (8s)
2018: play 5 times or more and you can play for both if they are in different competitions (8s)'"
I recall it being 9.
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It's not easy to find the rules going back but it was, for players with a DR Salary Cap value of over £20k, 3 to play in games for the DR club after the end of season transfer deadline in 2014....although I'm sure they could then only play for 1 or other club.
[iEdit: just found an article confirming 8 games in 2016 (and it would appear continue to play for both clubs which I wasn't aware of until reading it): www.totalrl.com/championship-foc ... istration/
So, 2013 - ? (one club), 2014 - 3 (one club), 2015 - ? (one club?), 2016 - 8 (both), 2017 - 8(pretty sure from checking posts on Fev TRL forum, both), 2018 - 5 (both)[/i
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It's not easy to find the rules going back but it was, for players with a DR Salary Cap value of over £20k, 3 to play in games for the DR club after the end of season transfer deadline in 2014....although I'm sure they could then only play for 1 or other club.
[iEdit: just found an article confirming 8 games in 2016 (and it would appear continue to play for both clubs which I wasn't aware of until reading it): www.totalrl.com/championship-foc ... istration/
So, 2013 - ? (one club), 2014 - 3 (one club), 2015 - ? (one club?), 2016 - 8 (both), 2017 - 8(pretty sure from checking posts on Fev TRL forum, both), 2018 - 5 (both)[/i
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Russell said “I’m really looking forward to playing in Toronto. I kept an eye on the club last year and to see how well it was going was great to see for rugby league. For my family to watch me play in Toronto will be an unreal experience!”
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Meanwhile Toronto have continued their promotion push, not by playing other clubs players on dual registration, but by signing experienced international Super League players, such as Matty Russell.
Russell said “=#BF8000I’m really looking forward to playing in Toronto. I kept an eye on the club last year and to see how well it was going was great to see for rugby league. For my family to watch me play in Toronto will be an unreal experience!”'"
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Quote ="Mr Dog"It's not easy to find the rules going back but it was, for players with a DR Salary Cap value of over £20k, 3 to play in games for the DR club after the end of season transfer deadline in 2014....although I'm sure they could then only play for 1 or other club.
[iEdit: just found an article confirming 8 games in 2016 (and it would appear continue to play for both clubs which I wasn't aware of until reading it): www.totalrl.com/championship-foc ... istration/
So, 2013 - ? (one club), 2014 - 3 (one club), 2015 - ? (one club?), 2016 - 8 (both), 2017 - 8(pretty sure from checking posts on Fev TRL forum, both), 2018 - 5 (both)[/i'"
Yes,if they hit 9 games they had to stick with the dual reg club.
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[iEdit: just found an article confirming 8 games in 2016 (and it would appear continue to play for both clubs which I wasn't aware of until reading it): www.totalrl.com/championship-foc ... istration/
So, 2013 - ? (one club), 2014 - 3 (one club), 2015 - ? (one club?), 2016 - 8 (both), 2017 - 8(pretty sure from checking posts on Fev TRL forum, both), 2018 - 5 (both)[/i'"
Yes,if they hit 9 games they had to stick with the dual reg club.
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| Quote ="atomic"Hopefully his wish will come true at some point this season.'"
They are playing in Toronto this week, likley to be a sell out crowd. Will that be the 1st sell out in the Championship?
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It could well be a sell out, given the capacity of Fletchers Fields in Markham, is listed as 3,200!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletcher%27s_Fields
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It could well be a sell out, given the capacity of Fletchers Fields in Markham, is listed as 3,200!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletcher%27s_Fields
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"They are playing in Toronto this week, likley to be a sell out crowd. Will that be the 1st sell out in the Championship?[/quot
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"They are playing in Toronto this week, likley to be a sell out crowd. Will that be the 1st sell out in the Championship?'"
Are you sure it's Toronto?
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| The attendance report from this one will be interesting. Their recent reported attendances were 6 to 7 thousand but have a capacity of 3,200 for this weekend. However, you can still buy tickets for the game (I've just checked). Draw your own conclusions.
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| Quote ="atomic"Are you sure it's Toronto?'"
It’s about 25 miles from Lamport Stadium.
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| Quote ="HXSparky"The attendance report from this one will be interesting. Their recent reported attendances were 6 to 7 thousand but have a capacity of 3,200 for this weekend. However, you can still buy tickets for the game (I've just checked). Draw your own conclusions.'"
Whether or not the stated attendances at Lamport last season were accurate it was always going to be a risk to play none of their games during the entire first half of the season in Canada. With this being only their second season in existence there is always a chance that some of last season's spectators will have lost motivation/interest in going after such a long gap between home games. I would hope that they have been setting up fan parks for supporters to gather and watch the away games on big screens or something similar to keep the habit of going to watch the team going during the season so far. I want them to succeed long term but there could well be a drop off in numbers attending when they get back to Lamport.
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| Why do you want them to succeed ? What do they bring to the English game ?
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"Why do you want them to succeed ? What do they bring to the English game ?'"
They bring visibility and media interest, they have already done so when playing in League 1. Despite how much the likes of us on this board and other RL supporters think of our sport, with a smattering of northern towns and cities playing the sport the national media and the wider public have shown over the history of the sport that they couldn't give a hoot about watching or hearing about it. Mention of Toronto among the list of teams in a cup draw or league fixture list has made and will make news editors etc. take notice and we get news stories, newspaper articles. Whether atm this is down to novelty value or not we are still getting coverage about the Toronto club.
They provide an opportunity for attraction of more sponsors for the sport and its competitions by creating awareness in a market where we as a sport have had no outlet previously. Initially these are going to go to the Toronto club itself rather than the wider game but the continued existence of the club means that businesses in NA become aware of the sport where they previously weren't. This then provides the opportunity for the game to access sponsorship money for the wider sport, or to sell tv coverage packages in the NA market.
In time (10 years plus, but a shorter timescale is unrealistic anywhere with a brand new sport) if the club survives they would provide another breeding ground for players. Not the fanciful claim of failed NFL players switching to play in SL in 2019 but with an established professional team in the city through the establishing of community clubs from which RL players will develop. It also gives a focal point club for those men already playing RL in USA to aspire to, with the will to play RL already present a club into which they can step up acts as a higher level of the NA pyramid than previously existed. Toronto do buy in the squad right now but what else could they be expected to do right now. The important things are that 1) the club continues to exist and 2) that it is successful so as to give local kids something to aspire to play for. The likes of Cramlington Rockets in the north east didn't exist
prior to Thunder's existence but the north east junior system is now producing players for that club, the same applies in London which took around 30 years but is supplying SL players despite the struggles of the pro club at the top of that particular pyramid.
I understand that some people are concerned that Toronto and other proposed clubs in NA are currently looking to take not only players from our clubs but also places at the top table, with for the time being not an awful lot appearing to come back in our direction from them. Also that people worry for the possible effects on long established clubs like Leigh (your club I believe), Featherstone and Halifax should more clubs follow but IMO the possible benefits for the profile and commercial power of our sport lead me to hope that they survive and succeed in our sport.
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| Quote ="wiganermike"They bring visibility and media interest<snip>They provide an opportunity for attraction of more sponsors for the sport and its competitions by creating awareness<snip>
if the club survives they would provide another breeding ground for players. <snip> the same applies in London which took around 30 years but is supplying SL players despite the struggles of the pro club at the top of that particular pyramid.<snip> but IMO the possible benefits for the profile and commercial power of our sport lead me to hope that they survive and succeed in our sport.'"
They have delivered nothing other than smoke and mirrors to date and Like London 30 years on, will deliver nothing. Sponsorship is a contra deal that will cost that sponsor 50% less this year....their TV deal is FREE......premiere pay little if anything for anything......and fewer people watch it than the fishing channel.....they are mid way through season 2 and "the media attention" has delivered us no new sponsors, no new interested broadcasters...Perez has vanished of the face of the earth (strange for someone who was so good at self promotion), NYC has gone as quite as a mouse and given they've been wining and dining big Nigel, you'd think they'd be all over social media.......but nada........
....and finally. The Player pool is 28 Teams at the top table globally.......23 in a squad...644 all told and we're going to dilute it further for the likes of Tony Clubb, LMS and a couple of others in 30 years time and little else..
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No they didn't. The threshold was originally a minimum to allow DR players to continue playing for the DR club after the transfer deadline (but, if they did, they then couldn't play for their parent club and vice versa) but has since changed to a minimum to allow DR players to play for both the parent and the DR club after the transfer deadline, providing that both clubs are in different 8s.
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