Of course I have an argument and it's wiping the floor with yours.

I really don't feel the need to take this any further, I've made a very good point end of. To go any further would make this a pedantic quote feast which is exactly what you want.

For me you're wrong, get over it and move on. V

Didn't his knock on give Leeds the field position for Hall's 2nd try?

I liked his pass to his Winger close to his own line, the one that went to no one and he caught himself, 8 years olds get dropped for inept play like that.
He's "World Class"

Billy Slater-esque wasn't it?

Oh wait...

Only players who aren't doing anything don't make mistakes - so yes world class. I've seen Slater, Thurston and even Wally Lewis make howlers so what.

As I say this vendetta with Tomkins is pure jealousy nothing more - especially from Hull fans which is no surprise.

and

Billy has made some big mistakes in big games he has also done 1000 times more good things than Tomkins has on the big stage, the comparison flatters Tomkins who is nowhere near the class of Slater or another half a dozen NRL fullbacks.
Scoring a few tries against crap like France does not make you the best at the top level.
I am not particularly a Slater fan by the way.

Scoring tries through soft SL defences is not a benchmark for being "World class" whatever that is, its a term never heard in Australia.
That's because the NRL is "World Class" its the benchmark and the rest are wannabes.
It only occurs to lower levels of the game to try and sell their product and 4 players as "World Class"

Tomkins is not anywhere those three players at this point of his career.

He is 22 years old, that is not particularly young in the scope of things.
Greg Inglis is 24
Jarryd Hayne 23

He may go on to be great at International level but he is not even on the radar at this point.
I do not think his build or style will get him there but I really hope he proves me wrong.

If Vomkins scores a wonder try against Australia and plays well in both I'll upgrade my opinion of him. He's done no more so far than the likes of Lee Smith did early in their career.

I agree. ^

Well your continued under achievement mixed with your Phenomenal sense of superiority has left the bulk of your fans bitter and unfulfilled which saddens me. I feel you suffer the green eyed monster more than most.

I'm sure you've explained this elsewhere but why are we all jealous of Tomkins again? Because he is good at RL? Well, I admit that he is but that's OK, most people are better than me. Because he is well paid? Again, sure that he is. However he'll be retired in 10 years but will still have to work for a living just like the rest of us.

I really don't get this 'jealous' thing. Sam Tomkins is a superb RL player. He is also a tool pipe. He is a modern day Garry Schofield - where is the jealousy?

I don't understand why people are quick to put Tomkins down. Simply put he is an outstanding talent and he could cut it in the NRL I'm sure.

Well, seeing as you brought Jarrod Hayne into the equation, could you please explain what impact this 23 year old has made on the International scene?

'eh

So you believe because our team has been cr@p for the last 3 years this is the reason we believe Sam Tomkins is an arrogant unprofessional little runt...



How do you account for all the other clubs boo'ing him then ?.....

If it was wiping the floor with mine, I'm pretty sure you'd at least have something to back it up with. You don't feel the need to go further because you can't.

Just like Tomkins, the V means you've been gotten to.

Oh, and the Hull fans hate Tomkins argument is rightly getting ripped to shreds as it makes no sense! Calling Hull fans bitter for lack of success as a Wakefield fan is kinda like the pot calling the kettle...

Its ok Vastpants has said end of. Therefore he has won end of. You cant argue against his argument end of. Its just too good end of. He isnt going to address your argument end of. Because its what you want end of.

Played out of position....
He has 5 tries in 10 Test matches
He scored one try, set one up and had a fair try disallowed last time he played England.

Hayne is not the best player in the NRL but he has more skill and far more talent tested at the top end of the game than Tomkins has displayed in a league that is average at best.
Super League.................................

Can you imagine what it would have been like if we had these kind of forums when Hanley, Edwards and Gregory were about? There would only be room for the threads started by opposition fans complaining about them!

You've posted some guff over the years but I reckon your ramblings on this thread are among your finest works.



Quality nonsense.

Get the excuses in early eh?

Hayne has done nothing special on the international scene and you cannot use him to make a point about Tomkins lack of impact

Scoring a try, setting up a try and having a fair try disallowed is nothing? in his last game against England is nothing?
You are starting to make England feel like France, you may be right.

Excuses for what?
Hayne will most likely not be picked for Australia this series

There was a player that played for a small Nation in the last World Cup, he almost carried his side on his own, that side came fourth in the World, that player destroyed France almost single handed.

That same player won the NRL player of the year 2 seasons ago, he had the biggest impact of a single player for his team in recent memory winning games almost single handed to drive his team into the Grand Final.

Tomkins has done nothing at all at the top level, against St George in the WCC he was shut down, his highlight was a Headbutt and knees in the back of Morris after he had scored his Try.,

Do you think you are doing a fair comparison by using Tomkins solitary appearance in a pre-season friendly and comparing it with a field of performance that encompasses one World Cup and one season in the NRL?

So that's worse than your tactic of quoting people to death. You do realise you are legendary for it, but not in a good way. I've said all I need to say, never said you or anyone else had to agree. People like you and Wellsy love to pretend you are on here to debate - but you're not. Your minds are made up and you're only wish is to browbeat. Your attempts to dress it up as some pseudo intellectual exercise is utterly transparent.

Mate, you are busted.