You mistook a prop for a half back/centre? Oh wait, Giants fan, your team are a bunch of 2nd rowers and Danny Brough so your confusion is understandable



But back to Bradford, assuming we actually make it to the start of the season, I'd say we're at 0. We're not really any stronger but I don't think we're any weaker following the recruitment. We've can put out a decent first 17, but beyond that we really don't have a lot of depth in certain areas.

Just an observation but whether any club has strengthened or weakened is really irrelevant.
Only 4 clubs, at most, have a realistic chance of winning anything worthwhile. The rest are making up the numbers, and that is the saddest part of the game.

Another southern hemisphere player off the quota anyone?

Wigan , saints , wire , Leeds and giants .. Which 1doesnt ??

Saints

Nearly every professional sporting league worldwide is the same, I wonder how many people have had a cheeky tenner on Crystal Palace to win the premiership this season.

The NRL seems to have had a mix of winners in recent times

Were the chucks not the Crystal Palace last year

I know its not quite the same, but comparing last years finishing positions Vs this years odds is a good benchmark. The bookies are usually right.

2013 2014
1. Hudds 1. Wire (+1)
2. Wire 2. Wigan (+2)
3. Leeds 3. Leeds (0)
4. Wigan 4 = Saints (+1)
5. Saints 4 = Hudds (-3)
6. Hull 6. Hull (0)
7. Catalan 7. Salford (+7)
8. Hull KR 8. Catalan (-1)
9. Bradford 9. Hull KR (-1)
10. Widnes 10. Cas (+2)
11. Wakefield 11. Bradford (-2)
12. Cas 12. Widnes (-2)
13. London 13. Wakefield (-2)
14. Salford 14. London (-1)

Can't say I agree with Hudds. They could win it again. Saints also look a good bet to me.

7 different winners in last 10 grand finals

Helps when every club can spend full cap and it is policed properly.

Warrington Wolves2014

In: Matthew Russell (Gold Coast Titans), Anthony England (Featherstone Rovers), Ben Evans (Loan Return - Bradford Bulls), Roy Asotasi (South Sydney Rabbitohs), Kevin Penny (Swinton Lions).

Out: James Medeika (Featherstone Rovers), Mike Cooper (St George Illawarra Dragons), Gareth Carvell, Matty Blythe (Bradford Bulls), Adrian Morley (Salford City Reds), Tyrone McCarthy (Northern Pride), Rhys Williams, Brett Hodgson (Released), Lee Briers (Retirement).


The guys out
Cooper, Blythe, McCarthy squad players
Mendieika and Williams fringe players
Moz and Hodgson senior players past their best.

Lee will be missed but he's no longer as integral as people make out, he was out for a large chunk of the season and we still did well without him
Carvell I don't get, still effective can only assume he peed someone off at the club.

The guys in
Russell looks dynamic, looked good in the World cup, looked good in the friendly v Widnes, time will tell
Tony England is huge I reckon he could well do what Chris Hill did.
Asotasi unknown over here but he was the Rabbits captain so we know we are getting someone professional and inspiring. How he takes to SL thougj is anyones guess, I think he'll be solid in a similar way Soliola was at Saints.
Penny? We know is attacking skill is capable of lifting you off your seat, lets hope his defence has improved

policed properly like melbourne storm's cap you mean?

Like Melbourne storm being found out and massively punished I mean.

They didn't win anything of course - least not anything anyone else was really trying to win.

spot on.
I'd take 7 winners over 10 years and a splurge of publicity when London were stripped of titles and hamstrung for a season over the 4 sides over 18 seasons or even the 2 teams over 7 years beating the same 2 other teams in the process


6 Sides out of a possible 21 over 18 seasons have either won it or featured in a grand final. I suspect 5 of those 6 will be in the top 8 next year and 2 of them will contest the Grand Final.......the other clubs are either trying for an away play-off game or to avoid finishing a place above London and going down.

Back on topic. London will be weaker than 2013. There are no quality players left to sign, the standard of loaners will not be sufficient to keep them off the foot of the table and the only positive for the club will be the inevitable minor raise in average attendances as AWAY FANS tick another ground off their bucket lists!