Please expand on this with specific examples, for me Sam has been great defensively this season, producing a master class in the Challenge Cup Semi v Saints.

As a Wigan fan i'd be happy to let Paul Wellens replace Sam Tomkins in this years waste of space end of year tournament. Hes been playing with an injury since we played Warrington away in the league. Let him have some R&R in the off season to be fresh and ready to tear Super League apart again next season



Maybe Brett Hodgson or Brent Webb could play on residency terms?

The Aussies will have done their homework on the brat and know full well he can only step from his left foot. They will set him up good style for a well deserved going over.

I wouldn't say he's great. Far from it. Attacking wise yes he is superb, but he has been a little suspect under the highball when put under pressure. As the last line i feel he needs to improve, especially on the international stage where he will be under more pressure and come up against better attacking players.

What he said.... Much as i care about RL, why should Sam play and be boo'd by half-wits. Play Wellens, anybody who thinks he should play can eat their words when he has been made to look silly by the Aussies.

Too slow, had his day.

Play wellens! Rest Tomkins! Keep the lad fresh for super league

I think damo has clearly shown his lack of rugby league knowledge in this thread alone, even saints fans are saying wellens shouldn't play! After all no disrespect to Paul, there is a reason he has been over looked by england in the 08 series for Briscoe! too slow for international rl.

In fact ask saddened RE paul wellens- saddened has been slaughtering wellens all season, I think alot of saints fans have said they would rather see wellens at 13.

Quote ="Bull Mania"I wouldn't say he's great. Far from it. Attacking wise yes he is superb, but he has been a little suspect under the highball when put under pressure. As the last line i feel he needs to improve, especially on the international stage where he will be under more pressure and come up against better attacking players.'" So no examples, then. The stats tell a story, www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011. Interestingly, Sam has made more tackles than Paul and missed far less.

Quote ="Bull Mania"I wouldn't say he's great. Far from it. Attacking wise yes he is superb, but he has been a little suspect under the highball when put under pressure. As the last line i feel he needs to improve, especially on the international stage where he will be under more pressure and come up against better attacking players.'" So no examples, then. The stats tell a story, www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011. Interestingly, Sam has made more tackles than Paul and missed far less.

Tomkins or Grix for full back. Wellens isn't good enough.

Decent seasn but Grix is not in the same league as Sam Tomkins. Not even close

That goes without saying.

shows our lack of options behind tomkins really! I think the next best is ben jones bishop and hes been on the wing all season!

Quote ="Finfin"So no examples, then. The stats tell a story, www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011. Interestingly, Sam has made more tackles than Paul and missed far less.'" I have only seen Tomkins in a few games this year but he did not take the ball on the full a couple of times when it was right next to him, let it bounce and chanced a lottery. He passed the ball to no one a couple of times close to his line as the runners came in. Australia and NZ will have him scoped out like last time and his input will be minimal. His style of game can be shut down pretty easily with good kick chasers and strong defensive lines.

Quote ="Finfin"So no examples, then. The stats tell a story, www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011. Interestingly, Sam has made more tackles than Paul and missed far less.'" I have only seen Tomkins in a few games this year but he did not take the ball on the full a couple of times when it was right next to him, let it bounce and chanced a lottery. He passed the ball to no one a couple of times close to his line as the runners came in. Australia and NZ will have him scoped out like last time and his input will be minimal. His style of game can be shut down pretty easily with good kick chasers and strong defensive lines.