Agreed, he should have gone to the Bulldogs when they showed interest a few years ago, he would be twice the player he is now.

I do like Smith as a player and would of loved Hull to of signed him given the chance but only as a winger or fullback. I just don't think he's a centre at all and imo proved it today. I just also don't like the fact that he's chosen for England yet fecking off to Union. Give players who will be playing League in the future the opportunity.

Still better than Gardner......just kn0b off Rommel...we know you have got a issue with Hull players and your bleeding boring with it.

He's been playing for years!

I don't mean in the sense that he is still a youngster, I mean players go in and out of form so...to say someone can never play international rl again is harsh.

Its typical myopic english RL supporters view.

Mcguire doesn't deserve to keep his place but to say he should never play again is utterly ridiculous

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I'm pretty sure I said the same last year. If the coach had taken my advice we'd not have had to witness today's effort.

mcguire was one of the few players who went o last year

McGuire was pants today (has he some injury that prevents him bending his back much ?). And I also thought T Briscoe got the boot for Smith's truly woeful defensive show in the centre (a couple of those Aussie tries were horror shows, with Smith standing bitching in open space while the Aussies played passing drills as if he was a stationary tackle shield).

However, they shouldn't be singled out as having bad matches. I also thought S Briscoe continued to show why I can't understand why anyone rates him. Is he faster than Wellens ? He didn't seem it, but he needs tobe because he was so far from so many of those kicks that he may as well have been slower than the great snail himself, because by the time he got to them the chase was on him.

Roby also showed that his attacking prowess is non-existent this season. Sure he's a good mobile defender in the middle, but so are any number of second-rows. At present I'd say he's the weak spot in the pack and doesn't deserve his place.

So as not to be entirely negative, I think Shenton looks like a decent solid centre, and the Roos paid him respect today by constantly shipping the ball towards the two paper bags on the other side of the field.

McGuire, nor sinfield for that matter cant pass to their right without having to plant their feet and turn their bodies. How f***** embarassing is that for a professional rugby league player.

Eastmond showed how it was done when he set up Smith.

The thing is he is one of the major reasons why they are the best side in the competition.

He had a shocker today - still expect him to start next week

Smith & McGuire were by far the worst players on the pitch, and I don't think it was a coincidence England didn't concede any tries down the side of Ellis, Shenton & Hall, and that's where in the rare times the ball went there - was also the most threatening side in attack.

McGuire should be left out for next week without question. He didn't get much quality ball to work with but i've never seen a halfback look as much like a headless chicken as that. The pace he's lost over the years is shocking aswell.

Lee Smith was terrible at centre also but then he's never a centre especially at international level. Our best right centre is sat at home or more then likely ina foreign bar somewhere in Martin Gleeson. Smith has held a grudge against him for wanting to leave Wire and that can't be right.

I also thought Peacock playing at second row didn't help. We didn't have the agility to cover across in that forst half and that left McGuire, Smith and T Briscoe totally exposed.

As for the good points i thought our left side was excellent with Shenton and Tomkins working themsleves into a standstill at times. Our best players were Sinfield who had a great game i thought, Crabtree when he came on, Westwood, S Briscoe and Graham.

We at least have some sort of hope for next week 'if smith selects the right side'.

I'd be tempted to play Sinfield at 6, giving a bit of control at stand-off, allowing Tomkins and Eastmond to play as they did in the second half. Nothing can be worse than McGuire's insistence on short, flat passing. He has zero playmaking/creativity skills and cannot play alongside an off the cuff 7 such as Tomkins.

Most sides - Saints apart - attack down the left it is easier to pass right to left and in Inglis they have the best attacking centre in world rugby. Shenton had a solid game but the Aussies did ask anywhere near the same questions of England'd left side defence that they did of the right.

Lee Smith struggled at centre for Leeds never mind defending against Inglis - he is not a centre and would not have played for Leeds in that position if the club had better options

I'd play Sinfield 6 without question and have a huge pack.

Eastmond to finally start a game at right centre with Myler on the bench.

I don't disagree with that - McGuire will be in the 17 for sure - one bad game doesn't make a bad player

You can't start Eastmond as the defensive centre against Inglis. He showed some ok going forward, but at the end of the day he was knocked off nearly every tackle he attempted. He is a threat with ball in hand going forward, but he's no better a defender than McGuire or Smith in the centres. He's a half-back, and we should start playing him at half-back.

The only man we have who should be right centre is Ellis. Personally I'd have included Senior or Gleeson for that job, but those are the dice we've thrown. It has to be Ellis because he is the only guy we can muster who can play right centre.

You're better off calling in Gleeson to play at centre or coax Senior out of retirement. At hooker, i'd rather have Newton starting than Roby. Roby's good when the other team is on the back foot and his forwards have won the arm wrestle, but he's not a starter IMO.

On a side note, it would be nice to have O'Loughlin and Hock available for the Kiwi game...

Gleeson being left out is a joke tbh but he's not there so what can we do.

I'd leave Ellis in the pack tbh so that only really leaves Eastmond, Bridge and Sykes as the options.

Sorry, can't agree. Sinfiled struggles to play well at 13, never mind 6.

5'6" against 6'5" is a non-starter. Eastmond had the benefit of playing against a tiring team but I would start with him & Tomkins, McGuire to drop out of the 17. I can't decide on the right centre, I'd prefer Senior & Shenton as the pairing, Ellis just doesn't run straight at the gaps enough for me. I'm not convinced by Bridge as a centre either. I don't know.

Do we have any sort of hope of calling a player up from outside the squad because Smith should be all over Senior or Gleeson if he has anything about him.

I know Senior has retired so fair do's but how the hell did Gleeson miss out on the squad looking at today

Its not a joke at all. He has been anonymous this year, as he has been for the last few years, and looks past it. He has no real pace, isnt too hot defensively either and just as often finds the crowd with his pass as he does his winger. He has had chance after chance and has never really performed internationally. It is time to move on.