youtu.be/ceS_jkKjIgo People can say what the they want. It's then up to the intelligent people in society whether to take any notice of that or not. If some village-idiot dullard like Tyson Fury wants to come out with some bull about fairytale religion horse crap and backwards views about women and abortion (even if he equates them to paedophilia) the that's his right and his decision and more importantly his views. It impacts our lives as little as the Queens speech on Christmas Day. It means precisely nothing to any of us. I'll go one further than Steve Hughes and proclaim that being "offended" doesn't exist. How can someone else's words offend you? If you disagree with someone's words fair enough but for them to make you angry or upset? Really?! People should always be free to say what they want, it's when they take action because of their views when society should step-in.

youtu.be/ceS_jkKjIgo People can say what the they want. It's then up to the intelligent people in society whether to take any notice of that or not. If some village-idiot dullard like Tyson Fury wants to come out with some bull about fairytale religion horse crap and backwards views about women and abortion (even if he equates them to paedophilia) the that's his right and his decision and more importantly his views. It impacts our lives as little as the Queens speech on Christmas Day. It means precisely nothing to any of us. I'll go one further than Steve Hughes and proclaim that being "offended" doesn't exist. How can someone else's words offend you? If you disagree with someone's words fair enough but for them to make you angry or upset? Really?! People should always be free to say what they want, it's when they take action because of their views when society should step-in.

I think when someone is describing you as less than them, just because of who you are ie skin colour, gender, sexuality etc then you could well be offended.
But it's not being offended that's the issue, I don't care about how many or how few people are offended by what anyone says.

I do care about parts of society being belittled and denigrated. I don't care whether that's homosexuals, women, Muslims, or (in the case of this government and certain sections of the media) the poor and disabled.
Dividing society into sections only leads to competition and division in society, and that leads to distrust and dislike or hatred, which in turn ultimately leads to violence.

Again, I don't think anyone on here has said Fury should be arrested or not be able to express his views. So I'm not sure why it's become an issue on here and I still don't get why some people are so keen to defend him or paint him as some kind of "victim" or that some people on here are going over the top in their condemnation of Fury.

In my opinion the condemnation of Fury has been sorely underwhelming. It should be made much, much more obvious what a complete and utter c[nt he really is.

I'd also add, whilst I don't think Fury should have had his nomination rescinded, I have sympathy with that viewpoint. Because putting him up on that stage with the likes of Murray, Rutherford, Sinfield and Ennis gives him a kind of equity with them that he doesn't deserve.

On a Sportspersons awards programme he has equity with them as he is a world title holder i.e. the best in the world just like the others

Typically you are trying to politicise the event by focusing on his out of ring comments. A similar number of people voted for him that voted for the face of the London Olympics



Nothing like simplifying life

Society will decide the level of condemnation not extreme liberals like you. Have you maybe considered that you are the other end of the spectrum to someone like Fury and that people despise your extreme unwelcome sterilising view.

No he doesn't. None of those other people espouse such views. Equality and discrimination are just as relevant in sport as they are anywhere else.


Only if you think equality doesn't belong in sport. Which would be a strange thing.
And yes, my problem is with those 72,000 douchebags who voted for him.


You don't think discriminatory views are divisive in society? They don't, for instance, lead to violence against those who are viewed as inferior or less worthy in some fashion?

Fury clearly has a degree of bi-polar. No excuse but his mouth is always going to run away with him. I'm more offended by someone using the term 'douchebag'....American cobblers of the highest order...you can pack that in.

I was meaning by the media and other organisations. But helpful you brought up society deciding. Society did decide. There has been lots of condemnation by ordinary people. They organised a petition for instance. But you criticised society's response. Just as you've criticised the response by this society on here.

I desperately, desperately hope I am at the other end of the spectrum to Fury. Everyone should be.

The fact that you would describe someone who merely doesn't want one section of society discriminated and denigrated as an extreme liberal shows you up for what you really are. I've not called for Fury to be investigated in any sense by the state. So, yet again, is Fury to be allowed free speech but not anyone who disagrees with his disgraceful views? You sound very much like his uncle. Y'know, the one who doesn't think gays should be equated to paedophiles but they're still basically second class citizens.

As you think equality is an extreme liberal, unwelcome position, I'm starting to wonder if you actually agree with Fury.
It seems a very committed defence of a scumbag from you otherwise.

Even if you put to one side his views in regards to suitability for a sports award, he still spoke about himself in the 3rd person....."Tyson Fury doesn't hate people".....that alone was good enough reason not to vote for him.

But he holds 3 world boxing titles and as such is one of the best sportsman/women we have in UK. End off, and as such should be judged on his sporting achievements in a sporting awards competition.That, even you can't argue against albeit you will because your an opinionated bigot.

'And yes, my problem is with those 72,000 douchebags who voted for him.'

What's your problem with the douchebags who maybe have an alternate opinion to you?

Zak hardaker was on that stage...is he fit to be on there with the likes of Murray? Ennis etc? Maybe he and fury had a friendly chat over a woo woo backstage?

Is Fury a criminal or someone who could be selected for Jury service in the highest courts in UK?

You must already know that the world is pretty f**ked based on people cutting off peoples heads, refugees everywhere, bullets gunning down concert goers. Where do you stop. Religion.

Tyson has a Christian belief.

I believe he is wrong. But he basically said that he thinks the world will end if Paedophilia is legalised.

He's in an idiot clearly.

Your post re black people is utterly idiotic and irrelevant, as I am sure you must now be reflecting on.

People are allowed to have different opinions.
I am allowed to say that I don't believe in Muslim doctrine, or their religion. However, If I did believe this, or did say it, I would instantly be barraged with the racist slur, so easily lobbed around like confetti. This from people that are supposed to be tolerant, liberal and all embracing. Instead they are narrow minded and bigots. Intelligent people do realise that not all people are the same.

Tyson Fury is wrong, he is an idiot. Say it but stop blowing things out of all known proportion and making ridiculous statements, deliberately inflammatory in order to try and stifle peoples opinions.

No I stand by what I said and my post was completely relevant when people site free speech regardless of how abhorrent their views.

You posted...His views however are based on Religion and his Culture, He therefore has every right to say what he wants...

There are cultures that do believe black people shouldn't have equal rights, so I was asking you if they too should be allowed freedom of speech to express this? Or do we just stop at homophobia and sexist remarks?

If someone does have that issue with black people as part of their actual culture, then yeah why not they can say it. I stand by the fact your are sensationalising what was said with an irrelevant analogy.

Think I'll leave it there then if those are your views.

Lovely stuff.
I can argue against it because I think sport is about more than the achievements on the pitch/track/in the ring etc. I think it's about a person, their abilities, their attitude and their character.

Explain how I'm a bigot or retract it.


That they're douchebags for voting for Fury. I thought that was pretty obvious.

As I said a few pages back, people like Fury do bring people with similar views out of the woodwork.

Typical selective quoting.

As you well know, NOONE is airing those views rendering your sensationalism nonsense. AND, if someone did air those views in our country, I would hope that they would rightly get locked up as I am pretty sure it is not legal.

Hang on, I only quoted your answer to my question which was that in your view...
If someone does have that issue with black people as part of their actual culture, then yeah why not they can say it"

The only thing that followed was ". I stand by the fact your are sensationalising what was said with an irrelevant analogy" which doesn't alter your first sentence one bit.

So Ive not twisted or been selective of your quote you said what you said!

I'm glad though you've since reflected on what a stupid thing to say that was and now suggest someone should 'get locked up' for airing those views, that's quite a retraction.

Read all the posts I have made on the thread. Then read yours.

You are making things up that have not happened, and attempting to tar me with a made up brush.

I'm not referring to the rest of the thread though and Im not saying you've said anything racist or even sexist or homophobic. What is undeniable though is that you did say
"if someone does have that issue with black people as part of their actual culture, then yeah why not they can say it".

So no, I'm not making things up that have not happened as I'm only referring to that one quote, and it's there, you said it! So either you stand by that one comment or you retract it, which you half did with your contradictory statement about 'getting locked up'.

Look I cannot be bothered with arguing about this any longer so I will just bow out.
Have a good Christmas and lets do rugby

Hope you have a good Christmas too.

and i think we'll leave this here