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Myler in better form? hes hardly played in the last 6 months.

FWIW Id keep Tomkins and Mcguire together and put Eastmond centre inside smith on the wing.

Whats Myler done in the last month or two ????

more than Danny McGuire.

His last two England performances have been better than McGuire's, ie he has actually done something positive for the team.

Really, how many Grad Final winning sides has he played an integral part of?

The Australians have little respect for GF winning players. Mainly because they steamroll them with metronomic regularity.

lol just lol

Were playing NZ, HTH

Will people stop suggesting Eastmond at centre ?

Eastmond is not a centre, his defence is suspect, and if he played there then you'd see just as much carnage down the right as we saw on Saturday.

He is an attacking half-back or fullback, not a defensive threequarter. He should be played somewhere that plays to his strengths, not his weaknesses.

The right centre spot needs to be someone whose defence is top notch, whether against NZ or Aus.

Didn't he play Centre when he cam on on Saturday?

yes, and took care of Inglis pretty well a couple of times if I recall.

Think Ben Westwoods presence had a little to do with that too.

He was put on at centre, and was fortunate to be there when the England pack had total ascendency and the Roos were stuck in their own quarter. He didn't have much defending to do as a result, certainly not with the Aussie back line running at him with plenty of time and space as they did in the first half.

But even on the rare occasions they came at him in the second half, you can see he gets knocked off a few times, and even when he keeps hold, he's like Burrow in that he has to tackle a leg and hold on, leaving the offload free. A good defensive centre has to be able to make man-on-man ball-clamping tackles to prevent that. Eastmond can't - he's too small.

I'm a big Eastmond fan, he's from my club, but if we play him a full game at defensive centre against Kiwis or Aussies then we shouldn't expect to do very well down that side.

Who drew with Australia - and should have beaten them.

And the last time we drew with Australia (whilst having the upper hand) was...

HTH.

If you play him in the halves, he would only be defending one space away from where he would be in the centres anyway.

Roy is correct. It was more a case of good fortune rather than cement-like defence which stopped Australia. If you play Eastmond you have to give him some protection. In the centres he's too exposed. The Aussies looked like they hadn't prepared for him playing at centre. The Kiwis will.

Yes, but a good defensive centre can carry a weaker half-back in the line - look at how the Saints centres hide Long, or the Leeds centres hide McGuire. The problem comes when there is no defensive centre at all, as was the case on Saturday. McGuire was so badly exposed because he had Smith, not Senior, outside him. Eastmond would also have been exposed at half-back had he played, if Smith was at centre.

The point I'm making is not that Eastmond is a much better defender than McGuire - he's not.

I do think however that he offers more at the moment in attack than McGuire on current form, so he should play in the halves, not the centres.

England's key problem, IMO, is not McGuire, or Smith or Briscoe, or Eastmond. It's that we have to find a strong, mobile, tackling centre for Saturday, or we're screwed.

Englands defensive problems in the first half would have been no different if they'd had Greg Inglis in the centres rather than opposite them. They were ones of structure, not of personnel. The defensive line was too compressed, meaning two or three drives to the right then long accurate shifts to the left created massive amounts of space for Inglis and Slater to exploit.

If Eastmond had been in the centres, he would have looked no better than Lee Smith did, irrespective of who his half back and winger around him were. England set up to challenge the Australians to go around them rather than through them, and it failed spectacularly.

Spot on. It's quite conceivable that a reasonably competent SL side would have scored several tries from the opportunities given to australia on saturday.

While I agree with this in principle, there was at least one instance of simple bad decision making... Sinfield jumping out of the line to take Thurston when he was covered on the inside leaving a hole

Good defence is having the right structure coupled with the people capable of putting it into practice

I'm not sure I agree with this. On a number of occasions when they broke for tries we had the right numbers of people out there, but they were standing in the wrong place, making the wrong choices or occasionally just missing tackles. That's not necessarily structure, that's about people knowing where to stand, and the most important guy in the three out there is the centre.



I do, however, agree with this. My whole concern throughout is that some people are painting Eastmond as the centre solution to the Smith problem. He's not.

5'6" v 6'5" - do the math.

Blimey, someone get on the phone to Ricky Bibey and replace get him a gig on the bench... Crabtree out!

Was Bibey considered an integral part of the side?

If you were to change the halfbacks, I'd go for Tomkins/Myler. The main reason I'd do that isn't because of how McGuire can play at his best - IMO at his best he's a better player than either of those two yet - but how badly McGuire can play at his worst under pressure. I'd rather see two cocky little gits who - regardless or perhaps because of their lack of experience - reckon they can do the business. Tomkins may have been a bit overawed at the start but wasn't at all by the end.

FWIW I suspect McGuire/Tomkins will stay. I agree with not starting Eastmond at centre. I'd leave him on the bench to come on and try to make an impact.

If you make a change at centre - which I think we should - I can only suggest Bridge or one of the more mobile forwards.