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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"replace who?
I havent mentioned replacing anyone,
simply that clubs 4th-14th years should probably be assessed differently than a clubs 100th-110th'"
Well you did post this
Quote the elite isnt for them'" so if the ' elite is not for them , who is the ' elite ' for then ?
It certainly sounds like you are suggesting they are replaced to me
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| Quote ="dally messenger"higher crowds by limiting number of games means more money'"
1. Will there be bigger crowds? What evidence is there that there will be bigger gates?
2. Why won't it COST more to host games at multiple venues? This isn't Australia were stadiums pay clubs to play there. Clubs have to pay rent.
Quote ="dally messenger"the NZ warriors used to take some of their games away from auckland'"
There is a difference between the odd game and not having a base.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Well you did post this
so if the ' elite is not for them , who is the ' elite ' for then ?
It certainly sounds like you are suggesting they are replaced to me'" Simply the clubs who meet the criteria i have already listed, in the post you needed to cut to get your quote
had you just read it through it would have been fairly clear
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Simply the clubs who meet the criteria i have already listed, in the post you needed to cut to get your quote
had you just read it through it would have been fairly clear'"
This one , the uncut version
Quote well things change according to the development of the club, after 10 years a club should be strong
i would say if after 100 years periods of success are still very isolated, and clubs are still struggling along at the bottom, and have been for most of their lives, and they still arent offering anything to the rest of the league then maybe the elite isnt for them'"
No mention of any clubs there
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| Quote ="Starbug"This one , the uncut version
No mention of any clubs there'"
yes, you are right, there isnt a mention of one single club,
this is mainly because i, well i didnt mention replacing any club, as we discovered about a page ago,
what i did say is the clubs which meet the criteria listed in that post maybe shouldnt be in the elite, but you must surely be aware of this because, well i said it in the post you are asking me about,
though it seems rather obvious had you read it to start with we would have avoided this, again
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"yes, you are right, there isnt a mention of one single club,
this is mainly because i, well i didnt mention replacing any club, as we discovered about a page ago,
what i did say is the clubs which meet the criteria listed in that post maybe shouldnt be in the elite, but you must surely be aware of this because, well i said it in the post you are asking me about,
though it seems rather obvious had you read it to start with we would have avoided this, again'"
Que ! ?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"yes, you are right, there isnt a mention of one single club,
this is mainly because i,talk that much bollox i forget what i am talking about and drop myself in it from time to time , this being one of those occaisions '"
Ahh , fair doo's then
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| Quote ="Starbug"Ahh ,im having a senior moment and have confused myself again, fair doo's then
'" i honestly dont know how you have confused yourself again, sometimes its quite an impressive feat for you to fail to understand something so simple
i honestly cannot dumb it down any more for you
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"i honestly dont know how you have confused yourself again, sometimes its quite an impressive feat for you to fail to understand something so simple
i honestly cannot dumb it down any more for you'"
Where the hell did you get that ' backpedalling bike from ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Where the hell did you get that ' backpedalling bike from ?
'" what do you think i have said that i am backpeddling from?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"what do you think i have said that i am backpeddling from?'"
Well it started here
Quote Starbug wrote: No , they are an expansion club '"
Quote Smokey wrote
until they get a modicum of success, then they will be and always will have been a heartland team'"
When reffering to Wrexham
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| Quote ="Starbug"Well it started here
When reffering to Wrexham'" you are very very confused, maybe you should go back a page or so and see if you can catch up to the rest of us
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"you are very very confused, maybe you should go back a page or so and see if you can catch up to the rest of us'"
You're slipping , that took you 8 minutes , the smokey of old would have replied in 2
nitey nite
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| Quote ="Starbug"You're slipping , that took you 8 minutes , the smokey of old would have replied in 2
nitey nite'" i would expect so, maybe tomorrow you will be able to understand what has happened here
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| Not wanting to interject possible optimism in the place of gloom, but is it at all possible that, once the various clouds of smoke blow away, we're going to end up with not one, but three Welsh teams, with one in SL at Wrexham, and two down in the valleys ?
I'll grant you there are some big ifs and buts in there, but if it does pan out that way, then even if CC go bust after a year in Wrexham, we'd still be better off than we were in Wales, and no worse off than we were last year even if we end up with just one CC team in the valleys, because they'll have more development years behind them.
Shouldn't we all be fairly happy if this is the outcome ?
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| Quote ="Roy Haggerty"Not wanting to interject possible optimism in the place of gloom, but is it at all possible that, once the various clouds of smoke blow away, we're going to end up with not one, but three Welsh teams, with one in SL at Wrexham, and two down in the valleys ?
I'll grant you there are some big ifs and buts in there, but if it does pan out that way, then even if CC go bust after a year in Wrexham, we'd still be better off than we were in Wales, and no worse off than we were last year even if we end up with just one CC team in the valleys, because they'll have more development years behind them.
Shouldn't we all be fairly happy if this is the outcome ?'"
Like Celtic previously, its going to come down to how much money people are prepared to invest in these clubs. Say like what you like about Leighton Samuels, but without Samuels, surely Celtic wouldn't have even got this far?
If the Wrexham club go bust after a year, South Wales maybe left with two clubs akin to London Skolars - that is unless someone has a few million to chuck at them. In the long term RL will only be sustainable if either a) they find a long term generous owner such as Ken Davy or b) they get the crowds to be self sustaining.
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| Quote ="Roy Haggerty"Not wanting to interject possible optimism in the place of gloom, but is it at all possible that, once the various clouds of smoke blow away, we're going to end up with not one, but three Welsh teams, with one in SL at Wrexham, and two down in the valleys ?
I'll grant you there are some big ifs and buts in there, but if it does pan out that way, then even if CC go bust after a year in Wrexham, we'd still be better off than we were in Wales, and no worse off than we were last year even if we end up with just one CC team in the valleys, because they'll have more development years behind them.
Shouldn't we all be fairly happy if this is the outcome ?'"
3 welsh RL clubs.
sshh, youll cause mass rioting in fax, haven, keighley, leigh etc.
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| starbug seems his happiest when he manages to get smokey to debate him.
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| Quote ="vikings 4 ever"Like Celtic previously, its going to come down to how much money people are prepared to invest in these clubs. Say like what you like about Leighton Samuels, but without Samuels, surely Celtic wouldn't have even got this far?
If the Wrexham club go bust after a year, South Wales maybe left with two clubs akin to London Skolars - that is unless someone has a few million to chuck at them. In the long term RL will only be sustainable if either a) they find a long term generous owner such as Ken Davy or b) they get the crowds to be self sustaining.'"
likes widnes previously too.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"starbug seems his happiest when he manages to get smokey to debate him.'"
He does occaisionally post understandable well thought out posts , unlike your good self , who posts total gibberish that nobody understands
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"and Crusaders will find a way. Oh they already did'"
By relocating 130 miles away. Do you think Wakefield will follow suit?
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"By relocating 130 miles away. Do you think Wakefield will follow suit?'"
they have mentioned moving to a soccer stadium in a nearby town with their ground having no chance.
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| Quote ="dally messenger"they have mentioned moving to a soccer stadium in a [unearby[/u town with their ground having no chance.'"
Highlighted a key word for you.
Had Crusaders moved to somewhere [unearby[/u then it would be comparable.
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| Quote ="Hedgehog King"Highlighted a key word for you.
Had Crusaders moved to somewhere [unearby[/u then it would be comparable.'"
still not wakefield though is it
there goes 100 years of history
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| Quote ="dally messenger"still not wakefield though is it
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And Newport isn't Bridgend but it isn't remotely comparable to moving to Wrexham.
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It hasn't even happened yet.
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