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| I don't pretend to know what the details are for this once great club?
can't imagine what the supporters are going through?
Can't imagine what passed players think about what they have given up to donate to keep the club alive?
Now is maybe the time to let it fold take what punishment comes from the RL and start all over again as Bradford Northern.
Then you can move forward
RIP Bulls
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| Hope it gets sorted, however I just don't see how a club can ever really thrive in that stadium in the long run.
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| What has become very clear over the last few years is that there is no one at all with any meaningful wealth with the inclination to put a penny into Bradford. Now I personally find it a little baffling that a club in a city, with relatively solid core support, and a brand that is tarnished but recognised can attract precisely no pounds (does any neutral fan not find it a little odd or it just me?). But that’s where we are, and for as long as that scenario remains, there can only ever be a lower division Bradford.
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| It's good to see relegation gave them the chance to reorganise and attract new supporters to a winning side
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"It's good to see relegation gave them the chance to reorganise and attract new supporters to a winning side'"
We can't find anyone with any money to invest - you can't get promoted without a millionaire - you get stuck in the lower divisions making it harder to attract anyone with any money to invest. And repeat.
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| Shame for the Bulls Koukash didn't pick them up instead of Salford a few years back. It would have been a far better fit for both parties imo.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"We can't find anyone with any money to invest - you can't get promoted without a millionaire - you get stuck in the lower divisions making it harder to attract anyone with any money to invest. And repeat.'"
I think that he (Smokey) knows that.
He was strongly against any points deduction last time for exactly the reasons that you mention.
Professional sport is all about money and if you havent got heaps of the stuff, it will always be a struggle.
If the clock could be wound backwards, Marwan K would probably have wished that he'd put his cash into Bradford.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I think that he (Smokey) knows that.
He was strongly against any points deduction last time for exactly the reasons that you mention.
Professional sport is all about money and if you havent got heaps of the stuff, it will always be a struggle.
If the clock could be wound backwards, Marwan K would probably have wished that he'd put his cash into Bradford.'"
Oh yes I realise he's a friendly voice in a world of "Cut your cloth" and "have you thought about being a supporter run" and "I've no sympathy" parochial twits.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"
If the clock could be wound backwards, Marwan K would probably have wished that he'd put his cash into Bradford.'"
Didn't he try to do that indirectly through Mrs Koukash? The problem with his efforts at Salford have been down to the team underachieving and a lack of consistency (One step forward and two back). Until Salford start performing regularly and shake off the inferior SL club tag the Salford public won't associate themselves with them. This year was much better apart from the points deduction but the club has to build on this now.
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| No sympathy here Green and co did his best to stitch us up last year, added with the yorkshire "Koukash would have been better off with the Bulls nonsense"
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| Quote ="Salford red all over"No sympathy here Green and co did his best to stitch us up last year, added with the yorkshire "Koukash would have been better off with the Bulls nonsense"'"
Some karma for Koukash after what Green did but I'm sure he'll feel sympathy for the loyal Bulls supporters, players and staff.
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| The way championship clubs recieve funding is a recipe for disaster. If a club finishes lower than expected suddenly they have a big chunk of money missing. Bulls in administration, Halifax have asked all players to take a pay cut.
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| The amount of money the club spent on monkey suits, quad bikes, trumpets, pyrotechnics, amplifiers and sponge fingers has cost them dear.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"It's good to see relegation gave them the chance to reorganise and attract new supporters to a winning side'"
Yep lets make an exception for Bradford, after all they were the biggest fakers in the fake that is SL. I'll give you one thing, you're consistent in your delusions.
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| Quote ="vastman"Yep lets make an exception for Bradford, after all they were the biggest fakers in the fake that is SL. I'll give you one thing, you're consistent in your delusions.'"
5 of the England team of last weekend came through Bradfords academy.
At least you have learned how to spell 'delusion'
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"It's good to see relegation gave them the chance to reorganise and attract new supporters to a winning side'"
Yep because no one has ever been able to gain promotion to SL apart from
Castleford
Huddersfield
Hull FC
Leigh
Salford
Widnes
Hull KR
but apart from those 7 exceptions to the rule no club could possibly gain promotion.
Far better if we had never had relegation and stuck with
Bradford Bulls
Castleford
Fax
Leeds Rhinos
London
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Paris Saint-Germain
Sheffield
St Helens
Warrington Wolves
Wigan
Workington
And just told the rest to shove it.
Oh apart from the fact that Bradford managed to go bust whilst still in SL with 10000+ crowds and all the advantages of a recently winning side.
I'm not anti Bradford and as a fan you'd have to be harsh not to feel some empathy for other fans, but lets be realistic the custodians of the club were the ones who managed this decline.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"=#FF00005 of the England team of last weekend came through Bradfords academy.
At least you have learned how to spell 'delusion''"
Something we need to address then for next year if we're going to make any decent challenge.
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| Quote ="theredshed"Some karma for Koukash after what Green did but I'm sure he'll feel sympathy for the loyal Bulls supporters, players and staff.'"
People who call out cheats never prosper.
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| Quote ="Cokey"Something we need to address then for next year if we're going to make any decent challenge.'"
Well we certainly can't depend on Leigh or Salford for that
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Yep because no one has ever been able to gain promotion to SL apart from
Castleford
Huddersfield
Hull FC
Leigh
Salford
Widnes
Hull KR
but apart from those 7 exceptions to the rule no club could possibly gain promotion.'"
You're being disingenuous. Most of those promotions didn't involve jumping the hurdles now put in front of championship clubs. In fact it's never been more important to have a big money backer if you are to have any chance of competing with SL sides in the middle 8s and thereby be promoted.
Not all of those promoted sides you quote did so on the back of millionaires but all future promotions will have to be imo.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"You're being disingenuous. Most of those promotions didn't involve jumping the hurdles now put in front of championship clubs. In fact it's never been more important to have a big money backer if you are to have any chance of competing with SL sides in the middle 8s and thereby be promoted.
Not all of those promoted sides you quote did so on the back of millionaires but all future promotions will have to be imo.'"
It's now arguably easier for a championship club to get promoted as if they make the top 4 then they have an equal chance of making the top 3 or even 4/5 for the MPG. The fact that some SL clubs survive without spending the full cap shows that it is possible to succeed and the championship clubs are now able to spend the same amount of money as the SL clubs if the so wish.
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| Quote ="vbfg"People who call out cheats never prosper.'"
45 Bulls fans might disagree with that.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Yep because no one has ever been able to gain promotion to SL apart from
Castleford
Huddersfield
Hull FC
Leigh
Salford
Widnes
Hull KR
but apart from those 7 exceptions to the rule no club could possibly gain promotion.
Far better if we had never had relegation and stuck with
Bradford Bulls
Castleford
Fax
Leeds Rhinos
London
Oldham
Paris Saint-Germain
Sheffield
St Helens
Warrington Wolves
Wigan
Workington
And just told the rest to shove it.
Oh apart from the fact that Bradford managed to go bust whilst still in SL with 10000+ crowds and all the advantages of a recently winning side.
I'm not anti Bradford and as a fan you'd have to be harsh not to feel some empathy for other fans, but lets be realistic the custodians of the club were the ones who managed this decline.'"
Castleford who were immediately relegated, then promoted, then relegated again, then got a franchise but would have been relegated as they finished bottom and would have gone bust if not for a last minute gift from Uncle Jack
Huddersfield, promoted, finished bottom 3 years on the trot but weren't relegated because of the standard of the clubs winning the NFP. Merged, Then relegated
Hull FC Promoted, went bust and would have been relegated but rescued by merger.
Leigh promoted then immediately relegated after embarrassing themselves. spent a decade in the lower leagues, struggled financially and were saved from relegation to the lowest division by implosion at another club.
Salford promoted, relegated three years later, promoted again, relegated 4 years later, went bust, struggle and survive solely on the largess of Koukash
Widnes relegated, spent 5 years struggling, promoted, then relegated again, then went bust, then promoted under franchising, built well.
Hull KR promoted, did no youth development, got a franchise. Relegated again.
Yeah that's erm... success?
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"In steps Marwan to merge two failing clubs to become the "Bradford Red Bulls"!'"
Absolutely excellent post, very funny on a sadly serious topic.
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| What's the problem?
RL in this country has never been better.
Another team going to the wall, England showing their true colours again
Clubs signing overseas crocks as standard.
No decent half backs with this "consistency" that is harped on about.
No, there is no problem with the game in this country, I get told this by the knowledgeable on this forum any time the obvious is pointed out.
Ah well, I'm now converted to the high level of mediocrity seen as success. Thanks.
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