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| Quote ="Grimmy"Are there no other options at centre '"
Sadly not imo. As Charlie says, He has been solid enough just not the game breaker we maybe hoped he may become on that stage as of yet at least.
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| Is this game on the BBC, Sky Sports or Premier Sports?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I think we go as strong as we can. It's a world cup year not a building year. And to be honest there's not that many shirts up for grabs.
FB will be hardaker unless Tomkins gets back and has a great end of year.
Wings Hall and McGilveray own those shirts unless someone demands one off them
Watkins owns his and is looking dangerous at the moment. Sarginson probably has the other unless someone bolts
Halfback will be 2 of Gale, Widdop and Williams baring injury maybe space for someone to impress and get a back up role.
Props Graham, Burgii, Hill, Taylor, personally I think Walmsley will struggle with the speed against the top international sides but would be really useful against some of the lesser lights. Possibly space for 1 or 2
Hooker we will probably go with Roby, Houghton and Hodgson, I don't think there is anyone breaking those three unless Clarke has a great rest of year and looks the better impact option
Back row might be some space. Sam Burgess, is a given probably Whitehead and maybe Farrell too. But the rest are really up for grabs. Weatherman doesn't have a great deal of international experience and wire are struggling. O'loughlin can't get on the field and when he does he can't get a long run of games. Starts to look like a risk going in to a world cup. I have high hopes for Savelio and Ward but Savelios start to life at wire hasn't been all that impressive and Ward needs games.'"
Can see Joe Burgess pushing for a shirt. Greg Eden possibly aswell.
Only position for me which is up in the air is Centre. We've just got no quality there. As a Wigan & International fan I'm hoping Gildart makes a full recovery from his injury as he was putting down a huge marker at the start of the season to be thought of for international honours.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Are there no other options at centre? It frustrates me how Watkins never performs at international level but keeps the shirt year after year.'"
Shenton? Gildart (if fit)? I'd prefer either of those to Sarginson, and Watkins is a flat track bully who looked good against our kids last week, but has shown nothing at international level.
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| Quote ="moto748"Shenton? Gildart (if fit)? I'd prefer either of those to Sarginson, and Watkins is a flat track bully who looked good against our kids last week, but has shown nothing at international level.'"
Watkins has just under a try every other game at international level. 9 in 19.
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| I'd certainly be keeping Watkins in. Other centre is there for the taking; I'd personally like to see Percival get another crack.
Lot more potential occupants for wing spots over the next few years, Eden having a storming season, Joe Burgess, Manfredi was awesome last year before getting injured. Ethan Ryan at Bradford is showing a lot of promise, he could come into the reckoning years down the line when he inevitably moves to a SL club.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Watkins has just under a try every other game at international level. 9 in 19.'"
v Australia and New Zealand he has scored 2 tries in 9 games, hardly prolific when it counts.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"v Australia and New Zealand he has scored 2 tries in 9 games, hardly prolific when it counts.'"
We won 2 of those 9 games and scored over 20 points as a team once.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"We won 2 of those 9 games and scored over 20 points as a team once.'"
I'm not saying it's totally his fault, but you can't justify selecting him on the basis of him being a regular try scorer when he only really tends to score against inferior teams. There is only really Ryan Hall who gets in as a regular try scorer (10 from 12 v Australia/New Zealand) regardless of whether we win, lose or score many points, he almost always gets over the line at some point.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"I'm not saying it's totally his fault, but you can't justify selecting him on the basis of him being a regular try scorer when he only really tends to score against inferior teams.'"
I'm really not trying to defend Watkins, he frustrates me as much as anybody, but imo he is still slightly ahead of any other centre we currently have. If he is playing well come October, which he is now to be fair, he should be in the team. The only other viable options we have in that position to play centre are Sarginson, Percivill and perhaps Shenton. Bottom line is, we just don't produce anywhere near the quality in that position that Australia and NZ can.
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| I'm biased, but I do think Ratchford's best position could be centre, alongside Pervical would be quite the nimble centres.
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| Watkins is one of the few centres we have who comes close to the Aussie or kiwi centres physically. All the talk of the likes of Gildart and Percival being better at this stage is madness. It'd be men against boys.
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| Watkins has often been up against Greg Inglis for Australia, one of the biggest and strongest outside backs our sport has ever produced. I shudder to imagine some of the names mentioned against him.
In fact Australia's pure physicality, particularly in the threequarters, is often overlooked. Whoever they pick the backs will be fast and strong. We need backs who at the very least can mix it physcially, which is why the likes of Hall, Watkins and McGillvary have to be there ahead of the likes of Eden (looked a complete wuss playing for the Broncos), even if they are in poorer form at club level.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"
In fact Australia's pure physicality, particularly in the threequarters, is often overlooked. Whoever they pick the backs will be fast and strong. We need backs who at the very least can mix it physcially, which is why the likes of Hall, Watkins and McGillvary have to be there ahead of the likes of Eden (looked a complete wuss playing for the Broncos), even if they are in poorer form at club level.'"
Indeed. Many said last year's Australian back line was one of the weakest ever, but it was certainly the biggest I've seen. All of them are at least 6'3 and over 100kg. The thought of scrawny kids like Percival, Crooks, or Gildart defending against them is frightening. I've not seen anyone in the academy grades who looks like they could one day provide that physicality at the moment.
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| The game will apparently be available streamed on line for a fee and not live on the BBC who wanted to screen it which is about dumbest idea I have ever heard.
RL is completely locked in a mindset of squeezing a bit more out of the same people and doing nothing to attract new fans. Few existing fans are going to pay for this game, attendances are being propped up by subsidised away travel, SL is locked behind pay tv.
International RL is the easiest hook for a new fan. Whether they have seen a game or not they already have an affiliation. It should be spread as far and as wide as we can. FTA live broadcasts get us audiences of millions. It is our greatest possible marketing tool.
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| Ridiculous decision.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"The game will apparently be available streamed on line for a fee and not live on the BBC who wanted to screen it which is about dumbest idea I have ever heard.
RL is completely locked in a mindset of squeezing a bit more out of the same people and doing nothing to attract new fans. Few existing fans are going to pay for this game, attendances are being propped up by subsidised away travel, SL is locked behind pay tv.
International RL is the easiest hook for a new fan. Whether they have seen a game or not they already have an affiliation. It should be spread as far and as wide as we can. FTA live broadcasts get us audiences of millions. It is our greatest possible marketing tool.'"
I'm sure there will be a free stream somewhere online and because us northerners are quite tight. The RFL will then not make any money from this folly.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"The game will apparently be available streamed on line for a fee and not live on the BBC who wanted to screen it which is about dumbest idea I have ever heard.
RL is completely locked in a mindset of squeezing a bit more out of the same people and doing nothing to attract new fans. Few existing fans are going to pay for this game, attendances are being propped up by subsidised away travel, SL is locked behind pay tv.
International RL is the easiest hook for a new fan. Whether they have seen a game or not they already have an affiliation. It should be spread as far and as wide as we can. FTA live broadcasts get us audiences of millions. It is our greatest possible marketing tool.'"
Do the BBC already have the rights to broadcast international friendly matches?
If not, were they willing to pay for the broadcasting rights?
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| Quote ="Nothus"Do the BBC already have the rights to broadcast international friendly matches?
If not, were they willing to pay for the broadcasting rights?'"
Regardless they should have been given the rights, more international games is how we are going to grow the game. It won't grow the game however if there only seen by a few hundred die hard fans online. Incredibly short sighted decision to try and make a couple of grand out of this.
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Regardless they should have been given the rights, more international games is how we are going to grow the game. It won't grow the game however if there only seen by a few hundred die hard fans online. Incredibly short sighted decision to try and make a couple of grand out of this.'"
Not sure I agree. How are you supposed to enter into future negotiations for broadcasting rights etc. and try and paint your sport in the most positive light if you've been giving broadcasting rights away for free in the past?
If the BBC really did want it for free then I can see why the rfl might have said no / asked for a fee.
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| Complete joke! As if we are turning down free publicity just to squeeze a few £'s out of diehard fans! This game should have been on BBC and streamed live online via the iPlayer.
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| Quote ="Nothus"Not sure I agree. How are you supposed to enter into future negotiations for broadcasting rights etc. and try and paint your sport in the most positive light if you've been giving broadcasting rights away for free in the past?
If the BBC really did want it for free then I can see why the rfl might have said no / asked for a fee.'"
It would be far easier to go to the BBC and say, "we got C2m people watching the last game, you need to pay for this one" than " we got 5000 people paying a fiver last time, give us money"
There is nothing wrong with investigating streaming as an option but the infrastructure isnt there yet, the market isnt there yet, and the game isnt set up to have all that much to sell. The FA tried it with England v Ukraine in 2009 and it was a disaster.
If the RFL are looking at streaming long term the problems and hurdles are many. They will take on the risk because they will need to outlay the costs of broadcast, they will need to take on responsibility for marketing, nobody is going to stumble upon the game, casuals will be put off, advertising revenue would be less, the value proposition is lower. We are nowhere near ready for that switch (and actually can't do so for another 5 years anyway) which leaves this as nothing more than a short term money grab that will make a relatively miniscule amount and will cost the huge free advertising of a game live on the BBC
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"It would be far easier to go to the BBC and say, "we got C2m people watching the last game, you need to pay for this one" than " we got 5000 people paying a fiver last time, give us money"'"
Actually getting them to pay for it is an entirely different matter altogether. As has been mentioned, if they were such a vanguard of publicity for RL why don't they have the rights already?
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| Quote ="The Daddy"Actually getting them to pay for it is an entirely different matter altogether. As has been mentioned, if they were such a vanguard of publicity for RL why don't they have the rights already?'"
Have the RFL ever offered a rights package to freindly internationals to anyone? outside of the World Cup and 4Nations its never clear who or where England will be playing. Why would the BBC or any broadcaster be willing to commit money to such an erratic, disorganised schedule? In contrast I bet the BBC know in detail when and where England RU will be playing for the next couple of years and can bid for rights packages accordingly.
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| Quote ="The Daddy"Actually getting them to pay for it is an entirely different matter altogether. As has been mentioned, if they were such a vanguard of publicity for RL why don't they have the rights already?'"
They do have rights to some internationals, including the world cup at the end of this year and in 2021. They dont have the rights to this game for the same reason sky dont. The game itself wasnt confirmed when they sold the last set of rights.
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