In 30 years maybe , at the moment they are an expansion club , also what would you describe success as ?

moving away from leigh.

I wasn't talking to you d i c k head

for crusaders? for the next ten years? existing, not finishing bottom every season and in ten years to have a core of welsh players playing for them

So if your favourite NRL team move to Central Coast, would it bother you?

And if a club can still attract players and fans from 136 miles away, why do Central Coast deserve a team when they're only 50 miles away from 9 Sydney teams?

I don't see how anyone can be happy with this outcome. They're basically a different club with a different fan base and different strategies. It is the death of one club and the start of another.

just start supporting wigan and youll lose this whole bitter mentality

Children: Young and old

Well the Wrexham Rectums will still be on The Welsh News so thats a plus. Just feel sorry for the loyal band of S Wales followers.

yes it might bother me as one fan.

but if its good for the game as a whole so be it.

So basically to be competitive with their own supporters and players. I'd go with that. Unfortunately, that won't happen if they keep moving about and p*ssing off their supporters. There'll be no money to fund the players.

And yet you criticise other clubs for doing exactly that , now then what does that make you again ? , thats right a hypocrite

seriously smokeys idea is a very good one.

as a club representing all of wales why not share it round?

other clubs that have been around for more than 30 years should have higher ambitions.

another poor post

which is why i put a time limit on it,

if in 100 years Crusaders are still only aiming for existence and not finishing bottom they should rightly be gone

But it isn't just one fan though. It's the vast majority of them in South Wales. How many of their supporters are interested in still following them? Not many by the sounds of it.

Is it better for the game that there is a team in North Wales or South Wales? It is not good for the game that a team in South Wales (where the most potential is) has been replaced by a team in North Wales.

Money.

it wouldve been much better if they stayed in south wales and developed stronger roots.

failing that, its better having a SL club in wales than no SL club

higher crowds by limiting number of games means more money

the NZ warriors used to take some of their games away from auckland

10 years to a 100 years , so at what stage does things change , or are you suggesting that those clubs have never won anything in those 100 years or produced an international player in those 100 years ?

Or if they dont win anything in what ? 20 years , 30 ?

Utter cr ap as usual

well things change according to the development of the club, after 10 years a club should be strong

i would say if after 100 years periods of success are still very isolated, and clubs are still struggling along at the bottom, and have been for most of their lives, and they still arent offering anything to the rest of the league then maybe the elite isnt for them

So replace them with ?

Why 100 years , why not 20 , 25 maybe , 55 anyone

you seem to be confused that by putting time limit on 10 years, we are ignoring everything after that

there will be aims in the first ten years, aims in the next ten years, and aims in the ten after that (along with every ten years after that)

there will also be aims for the first year, the 2nd year, and 3rd year,

there will be short-medium and long term aims, it is something we can constantly reasses

its how we see and measure clubs progress,

But you didn't say who you wanted them replaced with ?

Were they not ' away ' games for the Warriors , the aussie teams preffering to play away instead of home for more money ?

replace who?

I havent mentioned replacing anyone,

simply that clubs 4th-14th years should probably be assessed differently than a clubs 100th-110th