That if this seasons attendances were within 5% of the 2011 attendances he would pay £100 to the charity of my choice and if they were more than 5% lower I would pay £100 to the charity of his choice.

Not being protective of anything, just pointing out that nobody is forcing anybody to read this thread, if you dont like its content? , dont click on it ,if as you suggest that Bill Eve is making these attendances up, why bother replying?

Common sense dictates if nobody reads or replys, then eventually the writer will lose interest, my contribution has been minimal, yours has been huge ,I'd suggest it bothers you a lot more than me

[uSL Round 20 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year[/u

Huddersfield V Catalan in 2013 = 5,052 =#FF0000** £5 adult tickets alert **
Huddersfield V Catalan in 2012 = 5,822
% decrease = -13.23%

St Helens V Hull KR in 2013 = 10,820
St Helens V Hull KR in 2012 = 12,435
% decrease = -12.99%

Wigan V Castleford in 2013 = 12,463
Wigan V Castleford in 2012 = 13,975
% decrease = -10.82%

London V Salford in 2013 = 2,079
London V Salford in 2012 = 1,517
% increase = +37.04%

Bradford V Warrington in 2013 = 8,485
Bradford V Warrington in 2012 = 11,318
% decrease = -25.03%

Widnes V Leeds in 2013 = 6,230
Widnes V Leeds in 2012 = 6,046
% increase = +3.04%

Hull V Wakefield in 2013 = 10,488
Hull V Wakefield in 2012 = 11,105
% decrease = -5.56%

Total Attendance in SL Round 20 = 55,617 (Avg: 7,945)
Total Attendance same fixtures last year = 62,218 (Avg: 8,88icon_cool.gif
% decrease = -10.61%

2 out of 7 fixtures in Round 20 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the same SL fixtures last year. 5 out of 7 fixtures in Round 20 have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the same SL fixtures last year.

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Out of 132 fixtures played thus far in 2013 (not including magic weekend fixtures), 34 out of 132 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year. 98 out of 132 fixtures have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year.

But you originally claimed that SL attendances in 2013 were on course to becoming the second highest ever recorded in the history of the game! They aren't even keeping up with SL attendances in 2011, 2010 and 2009



Your gutless introduction of the 5% safety net in order to provide comfort for your asinine assertion was duly noted for it's gutlessness quite some time ago, particularly in light of the facts that St Helens had to play all their home games in Widnes in 2011 along with the existence of that pathetic Crusaders franchise (which had your drooling support) along with their embarrassing 2011 home attendances.

You might need a few more agenda-driven, fudge, fudge, "Toulouse for SL franchise fairyland" almost 15K (no, really) propaganda attendances to help you out yet

[uSL Round 21 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year[/u

Warrington V Leeds in 2013 = 11,281
Warrington V Leeds in 2012 = 10,835
% increase = +4.12%

Wigan V Bradford in 2013 = 13,213
Wigan V Bradford in 2012 = 19,628
% decrease = -32.68%

Catalan V London in 2013 = 6,286 =#FF0000** Where's yer fudged 15K paying fans (no, really) this week? **
Catalan V London in 2012 = 7,662
% decrease = -17.96%



Hull V Huddersfield in 2013 = 10,986
Hull V Huddersfield in 2012 = 11,142
% decrease = -1.40%

Hull KR V Salford in 2013 = 6,974
Hull KR V Salford in 2012 = 7,213
% decrease = -3.31%


Castleford V St Helens in 2013 = 8,229 =#FF0000<-------------------- Well done Cas!
Castleford V St Helens in 2012 = 6,492
% increase = +26.76% =#FF0000<--------------------



Wakefield V Widnes in 2013 = 7,543
Wakefield V Widnes in 2012 = 8,234
% decrease = -8.39%

Total Attendance in SL Round 21 = 64,512 (Avg: 9,216)
Total Attendance same fixtures last year = 71,206 (Avg: 10,172)
% decrease = -9.40%

2 out of 7 fixtures in Round 21 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the same SL fixtures last year. 5 out of 7 fixtures in Round 21 have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the same SL fixtures last year.

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Out of 139 fixtures played thus far in 2013 (not including magic weekend fixtures), 36 out of 139 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year. 103 out of 139 fixtures have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year.

[uRound 1 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 64,387 (Avg: 9,19icon_cool.gif
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 63,376 (Avg: 9,054)
% increase = +1.59%

[uRound 2 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 69,809 (Avg: 9,973)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,989 (Avg: 10,284)
% decrease = -3.03%

[uRound 3 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 58,711 (Avg: 8,387)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,246 (Avg: 10,17icon_cool.gif
% decrease = -17.59%

[uRound 4 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 58,948 (Avg: 8,421)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 68,803 (Avg: 9,829)
% decrease = -14.32%

[uRound 5 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 50,207 (Avg: 7,172)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 57,593 (Avg: 8,22icon_cool.gif
% decrease = -12.82%

[uRound 6 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 67,079 (Avg: 9,583)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,439 (Avg: 10,206)
% decrease = -6.10%

[uRound 7 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 57,048 (Avg: 8,150)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 69,941 (Avg: 9,992)
% decrease = -18.43%

[uRound 8 Fixtures (6 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 42,216 (Avg: 7,036)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 60,028 (Avg: 10,005)
% decrease = -29.67%

[uRound 9 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 80,429 (Avg: 11,490)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 81,841 (Avg: 11,692)
% decrease = -1.73%

[uRound 10 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 57,882 (Avg: 8,269)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,601 (Avg: 10,229)
% decrease = -19.16%

[uRound 11 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 55,117 (Avg: 7,874)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 62,013 (Avg: 8,859)
% decrease = -11.12%

[uRound 12 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 53,477 (Avg: 7,640)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 63,337 (Avg: 9,04icon_cool.gif
% decrease = -15.57%

[uRound 13 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 49,525 (Avg: 7,075)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 59,648 (Avg: 8,521)
% decrease = -16.97%

[uRound 14 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 68,617 (Avg: 9,802)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 80,737 (Avg: 11,534)
% decrease = -15.01%

[uRound 15 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 53,274 (Avg: 7,611)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 57,921 (Avg: 8,274)
% decrease = -8.02%

[uRound 16 MAGIC WEEKEND Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 62,042 (Avg: 8,863)
Total attendance at same event in 2012 = 63,716 (Avg: 9,102)
% decrease = -2.63%

[uRound 17 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 48,752 (Avg: 6,965)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 54,966 (Avg: 7,852)
% decrease = -11.31%

[uRound 18 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 55,384 (Avg: 7,912)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 56,180 (Avg: 8,026)
% decrease = -1.42%

[uRound 19 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 62,239 (Avg: 8,891)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 60,958 (Avg: 8,70icon_cool.gif
% increase = +2.10%

[uRound 20 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 55,617 (Avg: 7,945)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 62,218 (Avg: 8,88icon_cool.gif
% decrease = -10.61%

[uRound 21 Fixtures (7 in total)[/u
Total attendance in 2013 = 64,512 (Avg: 9,216)
Total attendance for same fixtures in 2012 = 71,206 (Avg: 10,172)
% decrease = -9.40%

[uRounds 1 to 21 Fixtures (146 in total)[/u
Total attendance for 139 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures in 2013= 1,235,272 (Avg: 8,461)
Total attendance for same 139 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures in 2012 = 1,380,757 (Avg: 9,457)
Cumulative attendance loss = 145,485
% decrease = -10.54%

Thank god you posted. I thought this thread had died off

I wouldn't want to disappoint Smokey

[uClub... Games... 2013... 2012... %gain/loss[/u
Widnes... 10... 62453... 62239... +0.34%
Wakefield... 9... 71131... 72094... -1.34%
Hull... 10... 118913... 121303... -1.97%
Leeds... 10... 148725... 153423... -3.06%
Catalan... 10... 82579... 86238... -4.24%
Warrington... 10... 108752... 114229... -4.79%
Hull KR... 11... 80807... 85413... -5.39%
Castleford... 10... 62549... 67127... -6.82%
Wigan... 9... 129871... 144221... -9.95%
St Helens... 10... 108638... 136162... -20.21%
Huddersfield... 10.. 62955... 79728... -21.04%
London... 11... 24385... 30905... -21.10%
Bradford... 9... 80060... 110348... -27.45%
Salford... 10... 31412... 53611... -41.41%

SUBTOTAL... 139... 1173230... 1317041... -10.92%

Magic Weekend... 7... 62042... 63716... -2.63%

TOTAL... 146... 1235272... 1380757... -10.54%

[uCurrent Average Attendances V Same Fixtures Last Year[/u
[uClub... SL:2013... (SL:2012)[/u
Leeds... 14872... (15342)
Wigan... 14430... (16025)
Hull... 11891... (12130)
Warrington... 10875... (11423)
St Helens... 10864... (13616)
Bradford... 8896... (12261)
Catalan... 8258... (8624)
Wakefield... 7903... (8010)
Hull KR... 7346... (7765)
Huddersfield... 6295... (7973)
Castleford... 6255... (6713)
Widnes... 6245... (6223)
Salford... 3141... (5361)
London... 2217... (2810)

During the current franchised, 14 club, top 8 play-off system SL era... the total attendances in SL to date remain the lowest we have ever witnessed. Neither the replacement of the poorly-supported Crusaders with the better-supported Widnes, or the establishment of 2 new stadia, or the re-establishment of heavily-discounted SL tickets have prevented 2013 SL attendances from being the worst on record so far.

[uSL Rounds 1 to 21 total attendances comparison (2009 to 2013)[/u
=#FF0000SL 2013 - 1,235,272 from 139 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures.
SL 2012 - 1,380,757 from same 139 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures.
SL 2011 - 1,293,879 from same 139 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures =#FF0000**
SL 2010 - 1,266,537 from same 139 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures =#FF0000**
SL 2009 - 1,274,605 from same 139 fixtures plus 7 MAGIC fixtures =#FF0000**

[uSL 2013 % decrease in attendances[/u
V SL 2012 = -10.54%
V SL 2011 = -4.53%
V SL 2010 = -2.47%
V SL 2009 = -3.09%

=#FF0000** except replace Widnes with Crusaders

I'm more than happy for you to carry on, it has led one of your moronic acolytes into being liable for £100 payment to a worthy cause. Please carry on, your agenda pushing may actually achieve something worthwhile, for once you may have actually stumbled upon a use.

and it seems to have kept you busy from making anti-Semitic jokes or mocking the holocaust + when it finishes we will be in the now annual keithswiftcorn/bill eve/ap 'never posting on here again, please everyone ask me to stay' attention seeking period of the year, and that's always fun to watch! It's win-win-win

Wow! That's some CHOMP right there Smokey.

Always a pleasure to witness you having to resort to getting all personal.

This thread has OWNED you



Keep it up

if that's what you need to tell yourself and your other Internet personas it's all good with me, if 'bites' are what make you feel good about yourself that's pretty sad but £100 is pretty likely to be going to St Gemma's hospice and I think we should all feel good about that.

psssst.............

you forgot to mention the £11 adult ticket deal at wakefield tonight.
only fair seen as you mentioned our £5 offer for Catalans ( which no one knew about until the day before)

If you were really that enthusiastic about charitable good causes and feel good factors, you'd have taken me up on my bet which countered your assertion that SL was on course in 2013 to record the second highest ever attendances in RL history.

That £100 bet is still on offer BTW (no gutless 5% safety net applies here).

Deal?

Or are you still too gutless because you might lose £100 to a charitable cause?

OTY Smokey

I wasn't aware of that offer otherwise I'd have most definitely recorded it. Made no difference anyway. In fact both Huddersfield and Wakefield attendances were down on last years attendance for the same fixture despite the cheap ticket offers.

I'm happy to just match RLbandits donation when he makes it anyway.St Gemma's do fantastic work. So why not, perhaps we will be lucky and see a donation from yourself aswell

Ohhh, second in the league, I’ve been waiting all my life to see ‘em win something

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TBH, I thought Billy had

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I cannot believe that. Is the new ground syndrome wearing off at Salford ? What is putting people off from going ? It must be a drop-off in away supporters IMO.

I think it's the fact they nearly didn't have a 2013 season.

I'm sure a Salford fan will confirm/clarify but from what I remember reading, season tickets either didn't go on sale or were only available towards the end of January? That can't have helped.

I don't think it's away fans or new ground wearing off really.

Good luck to the Dr for next year because it will take more than a handful of half decent players to get those lost fans back!

Going to games is habit that takes a few years to develop..........and getting back these lapsed supporters will be a real struggle for the marketing team there.

[uUPDATE...[/u
[uSL Round 22 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year[/u

Excellent positive news to note SL attendances flourishing as a result of the beautiful summer rugby weather...

Leeds V Wakefield in 2013 = 18,387
Leeds V Wakefield in 2012 = 12,272
% increase = +49.83%
WOW!



OH! HANG ON...



For those of an extremely insecure, "This is not a positive RL news item, you are making me feel uncomfortable, anyone highlighting negatives must really hate RL" nature or disposition, please look away NOW!!!

Bradford V Hull in 2013 = 7,914
Bradford V Hull in 2012 = 10,616
% decrease = -25.45%

Salford V Catalan in 2013 = 2,200
Salford V Catalan in 2012 = 5,841
% decrease = -62.34%

Widnes V London in 2013 = 4,870
Widnes V London in 2012 = 5,635
% decrease = -13.58%

Huddersfield V Castleford in 2013 = 5,733
Huddersfield V Castleford in 2012 = 6,928
% decrease = -17.25%

Warrington V Hull KR in 2013 = 9,838
Warrington V Hull KR in 2012 = 11,916
% decrease = -17.44%

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1 out of 6 fixtures in Round 22 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the same SL fixtures last year. 5 out of 6 fixtures in Round 22 have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the same SL fixtures last year.

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Out of 145 fixtures played thus far in 2013 (not including magic weekend fixtures), 37 out of 145 have shown an increase in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year. 108 out of 145 fixtures have shown a decrease in attendance compared to the corresponding SL fixtures last year.

Oh exciting, what with Widnes going into negative equity this week Wakey may go top of the league next week

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That’s if them pesky Loiners make the effort to watch the mighty Leeds play back to back against whipping boy rabble.

I bet the Huddersfield board must be scratching their heads, what more do they have to do to get a decent turnout, maybe this afternoons excuse is the golf’s on.

Indeed, Widnes home attendances are currently down by -0.81% compared to last year but the Loiners attendances are now astonishingly up by +0.86% after Friday night's whopping home attendance and they are now at the top that league. I'm not aware of any cheapo/freebie offers this season from that parsimonious CEO of theirs either.


Wakefield will require a home attendance against those pesky Loiners of not less than 11,217 in order to top the SL Attendance Percentage League.


The only positive about Huddersfield's home attendance this weekend is the overall improvement from 21.04% down on last season to it's current level of 20.73% down on last season, courtesy of today's improved home attendance which was only 17.25% down on last season