I will say it one more time Toronto is a Joke

It's really quite strange.
They seem to do some cracking promotion over there but there does seem to be an element of smoke and mirrors as well.
I know that people that are seriously loaded can spend their cash ho ever they wish but just 7 "proper" home games is just plain daft and while they have been getting great numbers through the turnstiles, it seems totally mad to be throwing huge lumps of brass at this type of project.
Clubs over here bemoan the fact that their grounds are only used 13+ times a season and whilst I'm aware that their ground is used for a myriad of other sports (with the numerous different pitch markings), it does make you wonder what the long term future is for this project.

I thought Steady said you were.

There is no Sky Match Day Income.

Okay in tonight's game at shudds v Cas, will shudds be paid for Sky screening the game or is that part of the money received by all SL clubs as per their contract with Sky?

Very similar to an NFL fixture list then.


Ah yes, alleged. How many are alleged depends on what someone is wanting to argue, yet no one that argues it really has a clue or an incling of proof.

Part of the total annual Sky money. Nothing extra on the day of the game. A team that is on 20 times out of 30 (Tigers) get the same as a team who are only on 8 times (Salford).

Not sure that’s true. I was always under the impression that if a club has more than 3 home games affected by Sky, they get a compensatory payment to cover the loss of crowd. First 3 are covered by the contract I think.

Without knowing the details I thought the same as you that that's why I asked, which makes Boss Hogg wrong with his assertions that Wakefield get the same funding from Sky as the rest of SL.

It was actually you that made the first assertion that there are match day payments outside of the usual funding.
I'm not sure how you both assuming makes BossHog wrong? Neither of you have provided proof, but the burden of proof lays with you as you made three original claim.

Which is what is wrong with our game. Why should the likes of Wakefield, hudds and Salford receive the same as Wigan, Warrington and saints. It’s embarassing. Moran and McManus should be getting elstone to re negotiate a deal where we get the lions share as we bring in the most viewers a la Barca and Real Madrid and the tv deal they had. Basically us 3 are keeping the likes of Wakefield afloat

Sorry about the delayed response.

Tigerade has already given you a good summary of the Sky payments, which do not include an extra payment for hosting a TV game.

I agree with you that any club that does have its home games televised, especially Thursday night games should be compensated, but sadly that is not the case.

Try reading it again, I was not sure what reference Boss Hogg was refering to with regards to Wakey receiving the full Sky payment which they aren't, that is why I asked if there was a seperate payment for televised matches alone. HTH.

Are you suggesting that a 14 game season should be introduced, because that's what they have in the NFL



As for the freebies, just take a peek on t'internet, they're not hard to find.
Even Toulouse, who I quite like, seem to dosh out freebies galore.

Btw, lots have club's trying to grow their fan base have tried the free/ cheap tickets (Huddersfield still offer a S/T for less than £100) but, most have realised that this style just undervalues the "product"
You can close your eyes and cover your ears and deny that Toronto are doing this but, it doesn't make you right.

NFL has 16 regular round plus league required 4 preseason games which are all covered by season tickets, so minimum 10 home games plus extra play offs.

Don't know why so many Wakefield fans are terrified of Toronto. It does not cost them or any other super league club anything its entirely self funding, does not affect them in anyway shape of form, is it because they get better crowds in a division below, or is it the fear that they bring no away support because as we all know Wakefied have very little support of their own and rely on away support to boost their attendances.

The VT trolls obsession with Wakfield & Salford has become tiresome.

So it's you three we should be grateful to then



Just out of interest ruuBron do you include yourself in the us 3 bit.

wakefield





wakefield.

So, if I change my avatar and put a rhino on it (heaven forbid) then does my opinion count OR pretend that i'm fecking French.
Having been on the planet for over 50 years and seen plenty of stuff happen, especially in RL, you think that, because I follow Trinity, my opinion is less valid than certain others





Toronto fans, who may attend their (proper) home games, have the pleasure of SEVEN games, plus any play offs and YOU (plus one or two others) think that this is for the benefit of RL and you have the audacity to question MY judgement.
You sir, should be on stage as you must be some kind of comedian.



Fundamentally, I do have a problem with effectively replacing a number of "traditional" English clubs, who are fully committed to the sport from the grass roots upwards, with new plastic clubs who are there ONLY because of money.

The N. American project may well be the making of the sport and give us a genuine additional RL playing Nation, which would be one hell of an achievement and to put on record (again) ,I think that Toronto have done some superb work in selling our sport to excellent numbers of new "fans".

However, what I wont do is pretend that it's all brilliant and try not to look around the corner to see what the path may look like in the future.

Toronto as a business is only viable because a few wealthy folk are happy (for now) to empty their pockets (lose money) on a new project but, I know that even you can see this and everything is great while ever those investors remain on board.

We all saw just how easily multi millionaire investors can get bored though (remember Mr Koucash).

Now, depending if / when boredom sets in, what do you expect will happen and should the sport guard against this and hedge their bets or should we just blindly believe that we are heading to the promised land.

Remember the hype with Paris ?? or Crusaders ??

If it were my money and my business, I'd be looking for a point where the significant outlay would start to show a return or, when the money would start to disappear less quickly but, you may have a different idea ?
Maybe it wont matter if the blow several million as long as they reach the top of the sport but, maybe there will be a reality check at some point and IF the sky starts to fall, maybe some of us would still want to watch top level SL or do you think that because you follow the mighty rhinos, that, they will always be there.

Fans of certain teams are terrified of Toronto not because they’re worried they’ll fail and set the sport back like they try to make out, they are terrified they’ll succeed and are simply worried about their club’s place and their club alone. Remember when Leigh were doing successful and splashing cash in the Championship and you had the same animosity towards them, now they aren’t the big threat from the Championship they don’t get that problem.

Whilst Jean goes OTT with his trolling about replacing certain teams, their is a genuine point and possibility there IF North American teams work out and that’s why some dislike Toronto so much, fear of losing their spot to them.

Just for balance and asking you're personal opinion and of course, I dont know if you actually attend games or just type on a forum. However, assuming these new clubs all make it into SL and that the comp remains at 12 clubs, are you ok with potentially having 5 long distance away games (plus London) in the fixture calendar ?
This isn't a problem for the armchair fans but, while we all complain about falling attendances, the game makes it ever harder for people to attend.
Strangely, the overseas clubs, thus far, dont suffer ANY disruption to their fixture program, just the rest of us.


It's already nigh on impossible to watch your chosen club home and away, especially with the demands of Sky.
Should we just accept that that RL is just TV filler or should "we" actually be trying to make it possible for "real" fans to attend games ?
As I said, maybe the "regular fans" should just accept that RL is no longer a sport is bothered about them and find something else to do with their time and cash ?

did i say your opinion was not valid no i did not, i corrected you that you where wrong about the amount of NFl fixtures by 30 whole %. which does make your point at best vague but pretty much invalid. Then i asked what Wakefield fans who are without question the most against Toronto, why they fear them as they is no rational as stated does not take any money away from any British club, and just exactly how many of these "plastic teams" have taken the place of your traditional clubs, i will tell you Big Zero. And as for your my opinion does not count because i support wakey, well that's your chip on the shoulder like nearly all the Wakey fans on here, so i ask again what is it you fear other than they may just take your spot in super league.

You have more twists and turns than a Tory spin doctor.

I replied to another poster who suggested that Toronto's SEVEN proper home fixtures was broadly in line with the NFL.
Personally, I've no idea how many fixtures they have in the NFL and really ain't bothered.
I do find 7 home games a season pretty disappointing though and while I'm bothered about not being able to attend ALL of Trinity's fixtures, the poor Canadians aren't seeing many at all (apart from via their TV channel , maybe)
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You're absolutely right that none of the N. American sides are in SL yet but, one of the potential new sides has "bought" the licence of Hemel, which is fundamentally wrong as these things aren't usually for sale and this could set a dangerous precedent.

As for the new clubs taking the place of "traditional sides". Only a fool would believe they are just there to make up the numbers and-surely, someone as bright as yourself, should try to look a little further down the track and see what may be coming the other way.

As for chips, I'm happy to have a few, but, thanks for your concern.

Why did they need to buy Hemels license in the first place

Why is it even allowed ?
Entry into the league structure shouldn't be bought and sold.
If we are a serious sport, applications should be made through the proper channels and not bought "on the sly"