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| Quote ="king of the shed"To be fair, I'm not sure what Wilky is doing saying that as it's nothing to do with him (ultimately) as SRLFC don't own the ground, that's down to the Joint venture Company / Management, Salford City Council & Peel Holdings, it's their decision at the end of the day. However (and I say this as a Liverpool fan) from a personal view I'd rather have MUFC reserves playing there, it could help to build a link between Salford & Utd that could be very beneficial in the long run (Sponsorship etc), but like I say that's just my view, oh and besides most of the comments from Sale fans I've read haven't been to enthusiastic about the whole thing so much so many say they wouldn't attend!'"
I'm a United fan and I had never even thought about that happening, it would be ideal. Probably better than Sale moving in to be honest. They get some large crowds for big reserves games.
Altrincham is not an ideal venue and I think Salfords new stadium would be a better suit.
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| Before we all spout off about whether AG is right or wrong to drag ground sharing at NM back up and before Cas fans get all indignant and tell him to shove it we should take a look at the background to which these comments have been made.
Richard Wright has confirmed that Castleford DO NOT have the money to build a stadium and won't have the money for the foreseeable future.
Ben Bailey Homes had paid an options fee, somewhere in the region of £200K, to reserve the Wheldon Rd ground but now seem happy to allow that option to expire and will not be paying Castleford RLFC any more money. That means the overinflated price of £6Million (?) that Cas thought they were getting is never going to happen!
Richard Wright alluded to the idea of waiting until the economy picks up before selling Castleford RLFCs family silver as they will only get to sell it once and they won't be backed into selling it cheap just to move forward on the GH project. The economy and therefore the building industry and in particular the house building sector of that industry will not see a significant upturn for the next 2 to 3 years at best with economists now voicing real fears over Britain’s likelihood of suffering a double dip recession which would put that recovery even further away.
So where does that leave Castleford’s GH project in terms of financing?
Even if the wildly optimistic approximations of cost were correct and the stadium price is just £11Million, where are Castleford going to find that money now Wheldon Rds. sale is iced and where were they going to find the other £5Million?
Looking at similar stadium builds and their construction costs Castleford GH stadium price is more likely to check out at around £15 to £17 Million.
There seems to be some forlorn hope that Feisal Nahaboo will rescue and fund their build but he’s a sponsor and the jury is out, Michael Knighton style, on how credible he is in the long term. He’s also had his head turned by his WCC experience and is now forging links with Wigan and despite his “I’m a Cas fan” statement he’ll soon realise that the DW and Wigan have more to offer Probiz than Castleford and Wheldon Rd.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"To be honest I can see this move being a bit of a fail for Sale anyway but I'm not bothered. They would be moving a long way from their current home and their attendances are pretty poor anyway. If Salford could build attendances like other Rugby team have been able to do since moving to new stadiums then Rugby League could kill off any hopes RU has of being a big sport in Manchester.
Salford get 6-7 sometimes even 8k for the big games. In a new stadium this could be pushed over 10k especially with the better away support they would get from Wigan, Saints and Wire.
This is the perfect location for a new stadium as well. Right near the motorway and near the trafford centre! Great place for a day out. It will pay off for Salford big time. '"
As a Salford fan, I disagree, maybe it's a perfect location for away fans with as you say it being next to the motorway. However I have reserved judgement, the location as it is, isn't really in the heart of Salford and not surrounded by houses, which in the case of The Willows I feel we get a lot of walk up fans due to the stadium being where its situtated. Although some may argue the area puts of fans both home and away. Also I don't think the transport links are that great reguards people coming from Salford, unless you live in Eccles or Irlam, as it stands there are no tram lines which would make a huge difference. I don't see how people from the Broughton, Kersal, Agecroft, Ordsall areas are going to have easy access to stadium if they don't drive, there best bet is getting a bus to Trafford and walking over. If your talking a perfect location, for me it would of been would have around Salford Quays but that a whole other conversation! Wouldn't say I'm pessimistic just call it years or supporting Salford
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| Quote ="Swinton_Red"As a Salford fan, I disagree, maybe it's a perfect location for away fans with as you say it being next to the motorway. However I have reserved judgement, the location as it is, isn't really in the heart of Salford and not surrounded by houses, which in the case of The Willows I feel we get a lot of walk up fans due to the stadium being where its situtated. Although some may argue the area puts of fans both home and away. Also I don't think the transport links are that great reguards people coming from Salford, unless you live in Eccles or Irlam, as it stands there are no tram lines which would make a huge difference. I don't see how people from the Broughton, Kersal, Agecroft, Ordsall areas are going to have easy access to stadium if they don't drive, there best bet is getting a bus to Trafford Centre and walking over. If your talking a perfect location, for me it would of been would have around Salford Quays but that a whole other conversation! Wouldn't say I'm pessimistic just call it years or supporting Salford
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You are certainly right about it no being in the middle of loads of houses but I'm sure the fact millions of people will drive past it every week will make up for this. Salford quays would have been a great location but I'm sure all other options were looked at and this is the one that works best. We are not the ones who did the research, you just have to trust the people who did. The stadium in the location where it is being built full puts Salford on the map and I think crowds will surge easily to an average of 8-9k.
With reference to the transport situation, I am pretty sure they will sort some buses out. They would be stupid not to.
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Quote ="Odemwingie"Lovely attempt at twisting the meaning but you know I am not trying to pretend has actually listened to me etc..
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 427846.stm
Even Salford now are considering a groudshare with Sale. This is not fluke, it makes sense from a business point of view.
I hope it comes off personally, it will bring in extra money for Salford.'"
It isn't Salfords ground , it is a similar situation to Leigh at the LSV , the SMC will let whoever they want to let play there , Salford will have no say in the matter and receive no monies from it
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news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 427846.stm
Even Salford now are considering a groudshare with Sale. This is not fluke, it makes sense from a business point of view.
I hope it comes off personally, it will bring in extra money for Salford.'"
It isn't Salfords ground , it is a similar situation to Leigh at the LSV , the SMC will let whoever they want to let play there , Salford will have no say in the matter and receive no monies from it
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"You are certainly right about it no being in the middle of loads of houses but I'm sure the fact millions of people will drive past it every week will make up for this. Salford quays would have been a great location but I'm sure all other options were looked at and this is the one that works best. We are not the ones who did the research, you just have to trust the people who did. The stadium in the location where it is being built full puts Salford on the map and I think crowds will surge easily to an average of 8-9k.
With reference to the transport situation, I am pretty sure they will sort some buses out. They would be stupid not to.'"
Apart from the KC , this ground move is by far the biggest , with nothing to attract fans pre match around the area , Salford will have to work very hard to make this work
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| Quote ="Starbug"It isn't Salfords ground , it is a similar situation to Leigh at the LSV , the SMC will let whoever they want to let play there , Salford will have no say in the matter and receive no monies from it'"
I only realised this after I made the post. It could still bring in extra money though if tickets were sold to Sale fans.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"I only realised this after I made the post. It could still bring in extra money though if tickets were sold to Sale fans.'"
Yeah right , what is to stop them selling tickets toSale fans if Sale don't play there ?
Salford have a massive task to make the Barton stadium work financially
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| Quote ="Starbug"Yeah right , what is to stop them selling tickets toSale fans if Sale don't play there ?
Salford have a massive task to make the Barton stadium work financially'"
I see what you are saying but isn't it alot easier to sell to those fans if they can sell from the same ticket office, announce the games on Sale matchdays, have posters around the stadium for Sale fans to see.....
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| Quote ="Starbug"It isn't Salfords ground , it is a similar situation to Leigh at the LSV , the SMC will let whoever they want to let play there , Salford will have no say in the matter and receive no monies from it'"
dont salford own their curent ground? they should make a fair amount from the sale if so! i thought this money was going to part fund their new stadium?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Apart from the KC , this ground move is by far the biggest , with nothing to attract fans pre match around the area , Salford will have to work very hard to make this work'"
The KC is a 5-10 minute walk from the Boulevard. Tops.
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| Quote ="Kosh"The KC is a 5-10 minute walk from the Boulevard. Tops.'"
I always fancied going to the Boulevard before it closed.
Have they demolished it yet?
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| Quote ="PHIPPS"I always fancied going to the Boulevard before it closed.
Have they demolished it yet?'"
Don't think so, i believe they still use it for reserve games, not the best place to visit for the away fan but i kinda miss the old ground.
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| If City's new owners get their way you might get a chance to go
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| Quote ="Kosh"The KC is a 5-10 minute walk from the Boulevard. Tops.'"
Having never visited the Boulevard I wasn't sure
So this will be the biggest distance a RL club has moved it's home stadium in many years , apart from the Crusaders of course
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| Quote ="pyeman"www.castigers.com/article.php?id=1353
Latest stadium development.'"
Apologies if i've missed it, but why the delay. Surely Cas could start building once full planning is approved now.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Apologies if i've missed it, but why the delay. Surely Cas could start building once full planning is approved now.'"
A road needs to be built before the cranes etc can get to the site, there's still some clearing & piling to do as well, so work might start straight away on the site, but there's quite a bit to do in regards to access before the actual frame of the stadium goes up - the pitch can go in while the road is being done though I'd presume.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"A road needs to be built before the cranes etc can get to the site, there's still some clearing & piling to do as well, so work might start straight away on the site, but there's quite a bit to do in regards to access before the actual frame of the stadium goes up - the pitch can go in while the road is being done though I'd presume.'"
I thought the ground works had already been done? So when is the actual start date of all the associated components of the stadium?
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"So when is the actual start date of all the associated components of the stadium?'"
With a completion stated in time for the 2013 season at a guess I'd say probably about June-July this year for the road and the rest of the piling & land clearing will probably start straight away then when that's done the pitch (or at least the area for it) will be put down too.
It's quite hard to say at the minute, RW says the money is in place now for the stadium to be built in one phase so the above is based on that actually being true and everything being in place to start as soon as they get the green light.
Also based on that website placed on the Wakey board, the actual stadium itself looks to be January for construction.
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| Surprising as I thought it was going to be a 48 (or less) week build and ready for the start of the 2012 season when the detailed plans were being prepared last year?
Anyway it matters little, it all sounds promising. Good stuff.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Surprising as I thought it was going to be a 48 (or less) week build and ready for the start of the 2012 season when the detailed plans were being prepared last year?
Anyway it matters little, it all sounds promising. Good stuff.'"
Correct. It is a 40-42 week build, I believe.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"A road needs to be built before the cranes etc can get to the site, there's still some clearing & piling to do as well, so work might start straight away on the site, but there's quite a bit to do in regards to access before the actual frame of the stadium goes up - the pitch can go in while the road is being done though [uI'd presume[/u.'"
Why could all this not have been done earlier if as you say everything was in place including the finances, and you were that confident or were you only presuming that as well.
Quote ="Gaslight"With a completion stated in time for the 2013 season [uat a guess[/uI'd say probably about June-July this year for the road and the rest of the piling & land clearing will probably start straight away then when that's done the pitch (or at least the area for it) will be put down too.'"
Which is it, fact or fiction?, because you seem to be doing a lot of guessing in one breath and then stating it as a fact in the next.
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| Because you need full PP to do things such as piling, I presume?
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