Quite right Towns88. We did the double of both Leeds and Hudds and beat Wakey 3 times this season. The undefeated West Yorkshire top dogs of 2016.

So that tells us that you only picked up 17 points from the other 46 on offer. Showing exactly how far off you still are from being a top 4 team.

4th 5th 5th in the last 3 seasons.

Yep and that only tells half the story, the whole story tells us you were a massive 9 points off 4th.

Impressive given the injury list last season, but hey only Leeds had problems

We weren't the only team to have problems, but we did have the biggest issue of having over a months less pre-season.

The wishful thinking of our small time West Yorkshire neighbours of Wakey and Cas hoping this is the start of several seasons of Leeds' struggles is duly noted and will be laughed at at the end of the season when normal service will have been resumed.

Your training ground got flooded at the end of December didn't it? i thought you managed to get other places to train while most of it was out of commission.
Just found a quote you posted on the subject-

Where did anyone say they wish that?

Wow - mass over reaction there, I don't see anyone having a go at Leeds.

Yes and what I wrote was correct, we did lose that amount of time out of the pre-season we had planned. But we were already squeezing our preseason into a smaller window of time because we returned much later to preseason last year because of sticking around for the Kiwi game and the effort the players had to give to get over the line for the treble.

Last year we started preseason on 1st Dec.
This year we've started on 7th Nov and did likewise in Nov 2014. Hence time before and after the flood combined it was well over a month lost. At this level you simply can't lose that amount of time and it not have a big effect.

No it was a quote you posted that came from your Head of Athletic Performance Jason Davidson on the subject.

Anyway, I can't see you making the mistake of being in the bottom 4, unless the injury bug hits again. Just having Segeyaro here from the start of the year will make a big difference for Leeds. I have you down as being 6th for whatever that's worth.

No - that tells us your not very good at maths.

2 + 2 + 3 = 7.

7 X 2 = 14 (not 17).

There endeth the lesson.

N.B - We (Tigers) did actually finish with 31 points from 15 wins and a draw. Not the mythical 17.

How many points did you win from your non-West Yorkshire games???

Cas Tigers didn't lose at Hudds.

Yeah got that one wrong as I was thinking back to the previous seasons game there when you were nilled.

Still trying to work out how my maths were actually correct all along?

Most people learn maths at a young age by counting on their fingers so it's understandable that people from Cas are poor at counting seeing as though they have a different amount to most of us.

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Your not far out actually Printer. Cas Tigers finished on 31 points from a possible 60 dropping 29.
We didn't do too bad - disappointments for me were saints beating us 3 times (again

) and not getting anything from the Salford league games although we did beat them in the CC. Just to highlight how inconsistent we were in 2016 - Hull KR took 3 points from us as well.

I wasn't out at all. You picked up 17 points from non West Yorkshire teams from a possible 46 which is what I said all along. Twigged that yet?



You were around 8th place for a lot of the year and 9th placed wih only a couple of games to go. You managed to jump up a few spots because Catalans, Widnes and Wakefield threw the towel in over the last third of the season. Reality was you were never in with a sniff of the top 4 at any point and your 5th place was more a case of others around you giving up by Round 20.

The truth is Leeds are a completely unknown quantity this season. People predicting leeds to be back up there on the basis of the mitigating factors last season, and people predicting leeds to struggle again based on how poor they were last season are both on dodgy ground. It's impossible to say whether leeds will be up there again or will struggle, nothing can be gleaned from last season due to some of the random factors but nothing can be based on anything before that either, due to the changes in the squad. Basically we don't know whether leeds were as bad as they were last season because of the training ground and injuries, or whether they just aren't very good.

Therefore leeds are a completely unkown quantity.

People will argue for and against but neither is conclusive. We'll have to wait and see.

You are correct on point 1. Think Tigerade has just misread your post.

Think you are being a bit disrespectul on the last point. We had a lot to prove over the last third of the season and wanted to end the season on a high note. In the Super 8s we won 5 out of our 7 games beating Wigan and Hull along the way and narrowly losing to Warrington, which we were unlucky to lose.

Widnes and Catalans still picked up a couple of wins in the Super 8s so saying they threw in the towel is also a bit melodramatic. Fact is we beat both of them and were above them on merit.

You're also being incredibly harsh on our position and results when you consider the extent of injuries we had and the fact we had to blood a number of youngsters who had never played Super League (Fitzsimmons, Douglas) and had a half-back (Hampshire) on the wing. We finished the season with the following players out:

Monaghan, Shenton, Roberts, Lynch, Millington, Massey, Jewitt, Moors, Mariano, Hitchcox, Robson, Tom Holmes, Patrick. 13 players out, 9 of which would probably be in the 17.

Our biggest issue was our arrogance against teams we felt we should be beating such as Widnes, Salford and Hull KR at home. Our performances were pathetic and those teams rightfully took advantage of that.

And if you want comparison purposes, take away 7 of Warrington's wins, they'd have only got 29 points out of the other 46 (just over half available)

Exactly, which is why mid-table is an accurate place to predict them. For me, Segeyaro won't solve all of Leeds' issues (ageing squad, lack of control at half-back, forwards getting easily over-run). I don't think they will be as bad either.

But I do feel they've lost their fear factor.

And Leeds have finished 4th, 5th, 5th, 3rd, 6th, 1st, 9th across the last 7 seasons. Historically, they've always been around the fringes either side of the top 4 bar the treble winning season. Loss of experience hit them hard last season and I think that will continue this year. For me, 6th is a realistic ambition with a transitional squad in progress while finishing top 4 would be a real achievement given strength of other squads.

A lot of people seem to be tipping warrington for the top spot. They clearly haven't been keeping a close eye on our recruitment. Yes, our pack is outstanding(despite currie being out til about june), but we needed to sign a couple of backs and signed none. Our threequarter line is pretty poor.

Whats all these comments about Rhino's training ground flooded ? I've searched the net and cannot find anything about it.

I'd imagine something of that magnitude must have cost them a top 8 spot.