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| Wakefield are reaping what they sowed some years ago imo.
They over spent, broke the cap and did all they could to not finish bottom, whereas Hudds made sure they laid the foundations for building the club to long term success.
Maybe if Wakefield had kept their promise to the RFL when they got into SL they wouldnt be in this situation now.
The icing on the cake was when they rejected even the concept of ground share.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"build a new staduim between Wakefield and castleford, call them the Calder wild tigers, go spectacularly tits within 6 months.
Job done.'"
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| Quote ="Code13"Wakefield are reaping what they sowed some years ago imo.
They over spent, broke the cap and did all they could to not finish bottom, whereas Hudds made sure they laid the foundations for building the club to long term success.
Maybe if Wakefield had kept their promise to the RFL when they got into SL they wouldnt be in this situation now.
The icing on the cake was when they rejected even the concept of ground share.'"
This.
Whatever you think of franchising, this is not an issue that the RFL forced onto Wakefield three years ago. The club has held onto the coat-tails of other, more progressive clubs since their entry into Super League. The only tangible change to Belle Vue since their entry to SL has been the "construction" (if that's what you can call the process of putting one Portakabin on top of another) of the Costa del Crappy apartment block.
Throw in that fact that this is a club that has previously broken the salary cap, a club that took the proverbial Michael with overseas quota loopholes, a club that has several run-ins with HMRC, a club that has one of its board members subject to an Individual Voluntary Agreement and a club that, all in all, has failed to make any sort of tangible progression since 1999 and you have a club that isn't deserving of its place in an elite competition.
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| Quote ="StanTHEWildcat"The club is a joke from top to bottom and off the field, we certainly dont deserve to be in sl off the field. People can go on about how good widnes bid is but until the day i die i will always believe its what you do on the field that should count. Widnes have a poop team and couldnt even dominate the lower leagues, should they come up then goodluck to them but its by default imo.'"
where were the wakey fans complaining about franchising when they got a license off the back of one of the dogiest franchise applications
welcome to SL widnes youll make a fine replacement for wakey
bye bye wakey, good riddance
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| Quote ="J20"Exactly. Tbh Wakefield as an entirty have broken more than enough stadium promises to last them a lifetime. Surely it's a HUGE worry the lack of investment in squad when they weren't even paying for Newmarket? Sorry but 'we can't survive without SL' will not be a reason to keep you in (even if it is for expansion sides).'"
bingo
if relegation means wakey die off well bad luck
widnes, cas all went down and came back
wakey have to live with their continued history of failed promises
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| Quote ="dally messenger"
if relegation means wakey die off well bad luck'"
Why would relegation kill them off? Sure, their ground is worse than most championship clubs, but there's a reasonable expectation they'd still get 1500-2000 people every week, as they did in the second tier in the 1990s. That is plenty enough to run a part-time team on a £300K salary cap.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Will they be missed?'"
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| Quote ="Ceejames"can be around £10-20K per game. A one year or two year (!) deal would make it cheaper. However the 'cost to wakey' is potentially higher.
The need office space / retail space. They will lose stadium naming and advertising money. They will make very little on corporate hospitality etc. (This creates pressure on putting up entrance costs)There will be additional costs re training / playing U20 + U 18 games + costs for events through the season. Likely to be pressure on marketing costs. PLUS gates are likely to fall so revenues down. Given the winding up orders while at BV this additional financial pressure hammers any licence bid.'"
Them ever so little financial matters are being overlooked
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| Quote ="Code13"Wakefield are reaping what they sowed some years ago imo.
They over spent, broke the cap and did all they could to not finish bottom, whereas Hudds made sure they laid the foundations for building the club to long term success.
Maybe if Wakefield had kept their promise to the RFL when they got into SL they wouldnt be in this situation now.
The icing on the cake was when they rejected even the concept of ground share.'"
As a Wakefield fan, unfortunately i cant disagree with most of what you put, but to use Huddersfield as an example is laughable.
This is Huddersfield that have a wealthy backer, a recent 'merger', a ground built on the back of the towns football club and who happened to manage to stay in the league whilst finishing bottom. A luxury that would not have been offered to other clubs.
Nothing against Hudds at all and i dont blame them for taking advantage of all of the above, (i am obviously jealous of there position right now) but using them as a shinning light is a bit much.
Like i say, the rest of what you put, i cant disagree with and if i was an outsider looking in id say we were behind Cas (stadium permitting) and maybe even Halifax for the franchise decision, unless plan B comes up trumps.
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| Quote ="Ray Price Is God"As a Wakefield fan, unfortunately i cant disagree with most of what you put, but to use Huddersfield as an example is laughable.
This is Huddersfield that have a wealthy backer, a recent 'merger', [ten years ago, hardly recent a ground built on the back of the towns football club [totally untrue - it is a tri-partite deal with Giants as part owners of the stadium not lucky tenants and who happened to manage to stay in the league whilst finishing bottom. A luxury that would not have been offered to other clubs. [If you understood the rules you would know any club finishing bottom those years would not have been demoted because the N1 GF winners had substandard facilities. Indeed one of the reasons the RFL were so against promoting teams with cr*p stadiums was wakey's slowness to upgrade their stadium after promotionNothing against Hudds at all and i dont blame them for taking advantage of all of the above, (i am obviously jealous of there position right now) but using them as a shinning light is a bit much.
[Sorry if the facts about the Giants spoil your argument
Like i say, the rest of what you put, i cant disagree with and if i was an outsider looking in id say we were behind Cas (stadium permitting) and maybe even Halifax for the franchise decision, unless plan B comes up trumps.'"
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* Ten years ago. Tell that to the Sheffield fans. Still a nice lump of cash received
* Tri- partite. Obviously without the football club, the ground would still have been built!
* Wakefield would have been relegated i assure you
As i tried to point out, i dont blame Huddersfield for taking advantage of any of that. They are a fine example of what can be achieved with the right backing, but that was not the original point made.
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| Quote ="JonM"Why would relegation kill them off? Sure, their ground is worse than most championship clubs, but there's a reasonable expectation they'd still get 1500-2000 people every week, as they did in the second tier in the 1990s. That is plenty enough to run a part-time team on a £300K salary cap.'"
They have already sold BV though I believe and spent a lot of the money they got from it. They have already made it clear that this year will definately be their last at BV and so if they lose their spot in SL then nobody seems certain where they would play. Groundshare with Barnsley has been mentioned but would be a huge drain on their finances which will already be massively reduced if they drop down a league. That is the worry as to why relegation might 'kill them off'.
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| Quote ="Ray Price Is God"* Ten years ago. Tell that to the Sheffield fans. Still a nice lump of cash received
* Tri- partite. Obviously without the football club, the ground would still have been built!
* Wakefield would have been relegated i assure you
As i tried to point out, i dont blame Huddersfield for taking advantage of any of that. They are a fine example of what can be achieved with the right backing, but that was not the original point made.'"
Without hijacking this thread into the same old debate, it will suffice to say you dont have a clue what you are talking about in any of these regards.
1. the merger, no one wanted it, it was everyones last choice. Its more complex than that and has been told ad-nauseum.
2. Without the rugby club the football club wouldnt have got a new stadium either. It goes deeper than that, but without the ruby club the football club wouldnt exist any more.
3. Pure speculation. No one was fit to come up, so no one would have been relegated is the facts as they stand. If Wakey were to have been relegated in that situation, its because they shouldnt have been promoted in the first place.
Everything that is happening now is born out of the choices the Wakey board made a decade ago, and continue to make.
Quite why they outright rejected even to do a feasibility study around a ground share is beyond me.
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"Everything that is happening now is born out of the choices the Wakey board made a decade ago, and continue to make"
Now that bit i cant argue with.
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| "no one was fit to come up" ?
says who?
the teams that won the league EARNED THE RIGHT to promotion, this is how real sports work!
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| yep - just look at how well all the teams that won cricket's minor counties championsip did when they played in the counyt championship the following year
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| Quote ="captaincaveman"says who?'"
The championship clubs to the RL Conference clubs?
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| Quote ="Code13"Without hijacking this thread into the same old debate, it will suffice to say you dont have a clue what you are talking about in any of these regards.'"
Your the one hijacking the thread squire by bringing your club into it because it would seem that its the only way to come across with your point, so its you that does not have a clue.
Quote ="Code13"1. the merger, no one wanted it, it was everyones last choice. Its more complex than that and has been told ad-nauseum.'"
Well somebody must have wanted it, was it more complex or just convenient for your inability to defend the outcome.
Quote ="Code13"2. Without the rugby club the football club wouldnt have got a new stadium either. It goes deeper than that, but without the ruby club the football club wouldnt exist any more.'"
I'd ask why, but this will probably be more complex as well, probably covered by the official secrets act
Quote ="Code13"3. [uPure speculation[/u. No one was fit to come up, so no one would have been relegated is the [ufacts[/u as they stand. If Wakey were to have been relegated in that situation, its because they shouldnt have been promoted in the first place.'"
Are you making this up as you go along here, speculation or facts. So if Wakey had finished bottom of the league they would have been relegated because they should not have been promoted for winning the league the season before, sounds like a reasonable basis for an argument that.
Quote ="Code13"Everything that is happening now is born out of the choices the Wakey board made a decade ago, and continue to make.'"
You might not agree with me but thats the only sensible comment you have made in this post
Quote ="Code13"Quite why they outright rejected even to do a feasibility study around a ground share is beyond me.'"
As you quite rightly put it is well beyond your comprehension, but don't let that stop you from making a comment on something you know absolutely nothing about hth.
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| Quote ="LyndsayGill"Agreements are already in place for a temporary 'home''"
I haven't seen an announcement anywhere, and I fail to see where the money will come from. Granted, I'm not claiming to know Wakefield's financial situation, but from the sidelines it looks pretty bad still.
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| Quote ="Ray Price Is God"* Ten years ago. Tell that to the Sheffield fans. Still a nice lump of cash received
[Are you really so economically illiterate? The merged club got x2 the sky money. This was around £1m. The merged club had to pay off around 25 players (some with more than a year on their contract) + pay off one lot of coaching staff + pay off senior managers and office staff. That lot received the money, and rightly so..not the Giants
* Tri- partite. Obviously without the football club, the ground would still have been built!
[A tripartite agreement is just that. Not on the back of one single party. That is why they are co owners of the stadium rather than the Giants being a tenant of the football team - HTH
* Wakefield would have been relegated i assure you
[Not true, but this make believe nonsense perpetuates the 'poor wakey' sob story. The P&R rules that wakey supported were clear and followed
As i tried to point out, i dont blame Huddersfield for taking advantage of any of that. They are a fine example of what can be achieved with the right backing, but that was not the original point made.'"
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| Quote ="captaincaveman""no one was fit to come up" ?
says who?
the teams that won the league EARNED THE RIGHT to promotion, this is how real sports work!'"
The rules agreed by all the clubs. That is how REAL sport should operate.
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| Quote ="LyndsayGill"Agreements are already in place for a temporary 'home''"
they will need to have a 3 year deal (so they have a stadium for the whole licence period if planning permission is not granted )
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| Quote ="Gazemous"Or build a stadium in Wakefield and share that...
Cas are building a stadium in Wakefield and offered to share. Wakefield council offered to do a feasibility study on both stadium projects in Wakefield in a bid to put all resources behind the best option to get it built quicker and Trinity refused. There is a stadium scheduled to be built in Wakefield, but Wakefield nor their fans want to play in it.'"
Out ofinterest what are wakefields and castlefords highest average attendance for a season?
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