They are the only top flight clubs in those countries. On that basis, we should get a trophy, because we are the best side in Wakefield (although we would probably lose in the final).

I know most people in Wakefield no nothing of the world outside it, but its not a country.

I must admit, I enjoyed the daliance with ELS vs NRL, but it would just show us up. WOuld like to see it again though.

I think you'd accept that we are a breed of homo sapiens unlike anything found anywhere else. That makes us a race.

The problem with the proposal is that two of the teams play in the same league as the actual champions. You could have the situation where neither of the finalists of the "Champions League" even made the play-offs.

So make it a pure champions league, and have the best from each league. But if it is to have any interest, SL has to play NRL in each game, and so you could end up with two NRL sides playing each other to prove themselves champions when they had done that shortly before in the Grand Final.

The World Club Challenge does the job well enough. It only works in football because of the number of leagues, and I kinda think that the players play enough games as it is. What benefit is there for any of the clubs? To say that they are the best team across the world? As there are only two leagues, hardly a boast.

Aren't Castleford the best team in Wakefield?

Only if you will admit you are the best team in the city of Manchester.

Right back at ya!

Why not have it every four years, and have the league winners from the previous four years, and if there's a overlap where if one team won it twice, the minor premier or second place would take the place, plus Catalans Dragons and NZ Warriors. It could be held in November the year after the World Cup, and could be held alternatively between Britain and Australia, get a sponsorship deal, we've got an event there.

This is evidently a numpty's a idea. More games? after 27 rounds of SL, 5 CC matches, IO match(es), the play offs, grand final, the four nations?

But Salford isn't in the City of Manchester though. Castleford is in the City of Wakefield. So why should he have to admit something that isn't true?

Cas is not in the city, its on the outskirts of the district - there's a difference

I thought I'd made it clear that I see it like licensing. If another club was to raise the standard, say a Hull or South Sydney, then sure; bring them in. If we go off league position only, we could end up with a poorly performing club with a low fan base. The NRL teams in particular often crash from top 4 to last in a season.

Obviously the best way to do it is on the sporting field... but does it not defeat the purpose of a theoretically glamourous league to have a Manly or Cronulla or Huddersfield playing when they might, in each clubs case, have a diabolical "stadium" or low potential support base?

Willzay: Again, I thought I'd made it clear I intended for a reduction in the number of league games - something which should undoubtably happen anyway. The actual issue would be accommodating the clubs missing out on a few weekends of footy.

Re: Catalan and NZ. Both clubs are almost certain to be there or thereabouts longterm due to junior bases or finances. They're also the sort of clubs with the attacking culture to win one off games.

Cas is in the City of Wakefield.

I personally think that we NEED something like this in the calendar if we're ever going to get over this feeling that the Aussies are by far superior. We need to be showing more regularly that we can beat them, and if we can't then we need to at least display to our boys the level they need to reach more often than they are. We go into the internationals pretty cold every year off the back of a less intense competition so this would definitely help, as well as a much bigger media interest.

The problem is there is nowhere in the calendar to fit it. Replacing internationals is just a massive no-no. There's too few as it is.
You'd have to cut the SL down to accommodate it, and then you'd have to have fixtures for the remaining SL clubs as they'd lose revenue.

Could always have a World Club Cup for the top 4, World Club Trophy for 5th-8th, World Club Vase for 9th-12th and World Club Plate for 13th-16th (invite two other teams to make up the 8 teams), but I'd imagine that that would be quite expensive to run (although they had all teams in the expanded WCC in 1997). Would get a lot more interest than your typical SL game that's for sure.

The district has city status. Therefore, Cas is in the City of Wakefield. Wakefield itself is just a small area within the 'City of Wakefield'.

I like it other than the bit about NZ Warriors and Catalans. They should both have to earn the right to play in it.

I would say the finalists from each nation along with the next ranked team.

Wigan, Warrington, Saints facing Melbourne, Manly and Brisbane would be awesome.

I don't care what the politicians say or do (Peter walkers Tories?) Wakefield is a City and Castleford is a small town. And nowt wrong with that. Middlesbrough is Yorkshire and Hull should never have been Humberside.

20 round comp for both NRL and SL and fit it in after the regular seasons and before Int's. Clubs can be compensated for lack of games through the mega funding the comp would attract.

Only problem we have is the ESL not being competitive.

Everything there is true. Doesn't stop the fact that Castleford is a small town in the City of Wakefield though.

Hardly any interest from the Australian Clubs or public.
Most Australians would struggle to name half of the Clubs in the Super League.
The current WCC barely gets a mention and is shown on TV at midnight a couple of days after it has been played.

Non starter in my opinion.

Happy memories of London beating Canberra at the Stoop in front of about 8,000, happy days indeed!

Different concept similar result I think. [i"The World Club Challenge, which had been contested occasionally since 1975, was expanded in 1997 to include all ten Australian Super League clubs competing against all twelve European clubs. The European teams were outclassed, winning only 8 of 83 matches, and suffering many heavy defeats. The competition was unpopular in Australia, and it lost $6,000,000 due to small crowds and heavy travel expenses. The Brisbane Broncos won the final defeating the Hunter Mariners 36-12 at Ericsson Stadium, Auckland."[/i en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_World ... ampionship

Different concept similar result I think. [i"The World Club Challenge, which had been contested occasionally since 1975, was expanded in 1997 to include all ten Australian Super League clubs competing against all twelve European clubs. The European teams were outclassed, winning only 8 of 83 matches, and suffering many heavy defeats. The competition was unpopular in Australia, and it lost $6,000,000 due to small crowds and heavy travel expenses. The Brisbane Broncos won the final defeating the Hunter Mariners 36-12 at Ericsson Stadium, Auckland."[/i en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_World ... ampionship

It's something that would need to build, and if it does could benefit both leagues immensely.
You've got to remember that outside of your little Australian bubble, not many Brits could name half the clubs in the NRL as well. This is a way to get those fans in the UK (and France) to know clubs in the NRL as well as build rivalries with some of them. That will transgress into more people watching the NRL, which in turn will lead to the NRL contract being worth more in Europe.

As a hardened RL fan, I like the the NRL. But I think it's pretty bad that as a hardened RL fan I don't particularly care much about it. It just doesn't affect me at all apart from knowing who wins the GF (because they play in the WCC). If I was mainly just a Hull fan rather than a RL fan, the NRL would have no interest at all to me and I know for a fact that there are many many people that think that way (definitely more than actually have an interest in it).

The NRL and Australia in general need to get out of their little bubble and look at the big world wide picture. I'd love to see Hull play a couple of Australian teams a year.

I prefer the idea come up with on the Oz board.

WCC to be a genuine game two weeks after respective GF's. Then NRL to play in the Challenge Cup. Knock out comp happens in each country and the final at Wembley is between the winner of the NRL v winner of ESL CC comps.

Interesting idea but you've lost me with the 'read the AUP' comment?

Thats fair enough, but my point is would most Australians love to see their team play Hull?
I do not think they would, especially if a team they barely know gets torn a new bum, would they feel like its a big scalp worth the effort?................... NO


Who wins the NRL Grand Final would not affect you as its not like your team is going to play them in the WCC in the foreseeable future (neither is my NRL team going to be there)

I do not think most Aussies have a high regard of the teams in SL and as such there would only be reasonable crowds at games where Wigan and perhaps Saints and Leeds are involved.
How would you sell an English team that is not well known where several of the big name players are ex NRL players that either achieved little in the NRL (ie George Carmont) or retired to England (ie Steve Menzies).

It may have plenty of enthusiasm in England as there is an aspiration to play and see the best, that is the opposite in Australia where it would be seen as similar to the exercise 12 years ago, a non event not worth the trouble or the space on the playing calendar.

I would rather see full tours brought back if there was spare time at the end of a season. Once two more teams are in the NRL there is likely to be less time.