Utter , shocking shocking shocking. Leeds did not deserve to lose that. Handed the game to saints

Handed you the first half, us the second half!

He hasn't got the balls to make a decision - the last Sts try when Roby went over literally directly in front of him, and he needs to check the grounding???

As a neutral for that game I think that is about right.

Leeds got away with murder in the first half

Think that's spot on. The last two decisions were absolute shockers. But they didn't hand saints the game

agree, thought was equally good and bad for both sides.
correct decision to send moon off but soliola should have at least 10 minutes.

Well that's more the craziness of the rules...

Swinging arm with shoulder = penalty. Just the shoulder = red.

I agree it was a bad one though. I thought soliola had it out for my blood pressure at one point!

I dunno. The scrum to Saints was right, if the same incident against LMS was anything to go by. I don't think he much wrong tonight. The red card was an automatic red, a true brain explosion, and he did well to refer that onwards. With other referees that would have ended with Leeds players slapping Moon on the back and the game carrying on.

It was well spotted and absolutely the correct decision. you're also probably right about the scrum at the end.

Some awful clangers by silverwood tonight, all we want is consistency. Last few mins ball gets walloped out of sutcliffes grip, officials can clearly see the infringement but the on field ruling stands. Next play silverwood gives leeds head and feed, but when officials see the replay and the ruling gets changed.

And you wouldn't mind the sending off if they're was consistency. I'm sorry but if the player didn't get ko'd from moons shoulder it would have been play on. And how is a player falling on a shoulder in a 4 man collision worse than a player totally taking out a player who had kick the ball well before he was committed to the tackle.

The Sutcliffe ball strip should actually have been play on - Hohaia stripped it out one-on-one and the ball went backwards.

The last minute (Ganson call?) that Aiton played the ball was absurd, and there were a few other really easy calls they got wrong.

Falling on a shoulder? Moon went in with the shoulder. He made no attempt to use his arms to tackle. Pathetic excuse.

Really? This is Wakefield level of silly suggestion. Ganson isn't a ref. he can't make a call. It was a wrong call yes (especially after the lms one had been deemed not played at) but as I put on my first post here, there's quite a few decisions in the first half that were more than dodgy in Leeds' favour. The penalty for Watkins knocking on, Leeds getting a penalty for trapping Walmsleys arm, Jamie Peacock holding Roby on top of him for a penalty etc. Difference being those were in the first half not the last minute I suppose ...

I'll give you watkins and walmsley, but you can't seriously be suggesting the little love grip peacock had on roby's wrist kept him on the deck, no other part of his body made a move away from peacock. He smashes trough 120kg guys week in week out and can't make an attempt to move away in that scenario.....come on!



You lost credibility for throwing that one in. Also remember the 2 points for saints first penalty was a knock on.

Maybe, I wasn't so much as watching as flailing angrily at the time

I might change my response depending on the replay! There were a few more that I don't really know how to specify, I remember thinking a few saints "knock ons" quite clearly had hands in, but I guess it's the nature of the game, all I'm saying is the poor decisions were evened out over the course of the game!

It's a shame really that yet again were talking about the ref though...

TBF regarding the Roby/Peacock one. I know Hemmings went on about it like Peacock had Roby in a Indian death lock but in reality it was a light hold of the wrist and Roby wasn't making any attempt to get up with any part of his body. The idea that Roby couldn't manage to stand up is far fetched.

Saints did get hammered with penalties in the final 20 minutes of the first half but in all honestly they brought them on themselves, their discipline and overall play in that period of the game just after the sending off was pretty poor and lathegic.

Yeah, basically all this tit for tat ''what about that decision against us'' can be summed in 4 simple words - the ref was sh*t.

Glad we agree



I will end my night here on a positive note, congrats to the Leeds fans, they sounded great, chanting all night and made it sound a cracking atmosphere!

Could Leeds have done more at 12-2 up?

That's the downside of kicking for goal continually, instead of backing yourself at least once

There needs to be some consistency in what the ref can go to the video screen for. It seemed Silverwood missed the shoulder and got told by the video ref the same as the two ricochet decisions got decided by the video ref. The same time it took to make them decisions by the video ref and also setting the scrum is about the same that got taken to set up the scrum for when the ball got punched out of Sutcliffe's hands. Why can the video ref be used for some and not for others? As long as it isnt taking too long and the correct decision is reached(obviously not the case with the last scrum) then not too many people will be bothered by a slight delay.

I'm unsure about the Hohaia on Sutcliffe incident.

I don't think Hohaia has 'stripped' the ball as he is making a tackle. He isn't involved and then strips the ball out. Surely the responsibility should be on Sutcliffe to have a good grip on the ball = knock on.

I wish we would get rid of the ball steal. I think it would be amazing to see how many attackers would keep hold of the ball in all of these situations.

But the downside would be less offloads and attacking play as the onus would be on the defender to hold the ball more securely.

Although the stealing rule is a bit of a lottery I think the rules strike a nice balance.

As to the incident in question isn't the point that it came off a saints hand and went towards the Leeds posts so how could it have been a knock on against sutcliffe - Silverwood seemed to just assume he'd knocked it forward into Hohaia before it then went back, which seems a poor call (from memory I thought he was in a decent position to see the incident). I don't think it was an illegal steel just that it was a knock on by Hohaia (who appeared to have deliberately played at the ball)

I do think it will lead to fewer errors and less controversy. As you say the stealing rule is a complete lottery and it is purely a guess for the ref if the ball comes out with 3 tacklers in there. Which isn't great.

In terms of the incident, the ref looks to have just called a loose carry as the ball has come out on the impact of the tackle. Although I don't know how you can say Hohaia has knocked on when he was never in possession of the ball.