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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Odsal is indeed an old landfill site, but if it would cost £8m to build a roof over the pop side, which is on the tip, how come the managed to build a pretty simple, and very effective roof over the stand side, which equally is also on the tip? And with some maintenance has happily stood there for many decades?
Plus, when I first started going to Odsal, there WAS a roof over the pop side, not all of it, but a fair chunk of it, it was the old wooden stand. If you can't build there, then how the fsck did the old-timers build that? Or was the impossible possible back in the day? I would have several times more confidence in the builders and engineers of that era, or indeed of Romantimes, than the money-grabbing fast-buck consortia of profiteers that have come up with the last 20 superplans for superOdsal. Most of these modern highwaymen charge more for the T&A front page drawings than those old-timers would have charged to build the whole ground.
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I think it was the Romans that did the first proposal for the Odsal super dome, with revisions done by William the conqueror and later King Henry the 8th, I also heard a rumour that had operation sea Lion been successful Adolf Hitler also had his own plans drawn up by Albert Speer for a Wembley of the North with Nando's, Costa and Premier Inn incorporated into the stadium Complex. |
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We did have our greatest period under Caisley but it was done at a great cost, as his plans for funding the team effectively started the rot we haven't got out of since.
Without going into that period again and again, let's say that I believe Chris is an intelligent man who would have learned from his mistakes, so if he returns, and I'd guess it's a big IF, then whatever happens may well be fine.
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Are we sure Lawn isn't in the running then, he said he would decide by Friday.
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| Quote ="RickyF1"Are we sure Lawn isn't in the running then, he said he would decide by Friday.'"
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They've all signed non disclosure agreements so we won't hear anything from any of them that are still involved until the process is over.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"Given the way he's not been shy about talking to the press, I suspect we would have heard if he had decided to go for it.'"
At the beginning of last week the administrators said 3 people was involved with rugby back ground and his last statement he said 4 was involved with sporting back ground.
That's what makes me feel he is. And then I think Green could be the other aswell as Koucash and caisley |
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| Quote ="Bullseye"They've all signed non disclosure agreements so we won't hear anything from any of them that are still involved until the process is over.'"
Would a NDA prevent them even saying they had made a bid?. Thought it was more about not revealing any financial or legal details. |
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Dunno Mat but nobody has said much and if we believe that this involves Koukash and Caisley then I'd be surprised they could keep their mouths shut unless they had to.
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A little reading material regards new stadium costs.
archistadia-en: Leigh Sports Village, promoting sport and inspiring the local community
archistadia-en.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... s.html?m=1
Of course LCRLFC did not pay for the stadium & despite popular belief, Wigan Council did not pay for the Stadium entirely at least.
The whole development was brought together by the Council, Developers, LCRLFC & numerous partners.
The cost of the Stadium, College, Pool, Athletics track & Leigh East Club & all sports pitches was largely offset by deals with developers.
The land for a new build housing development, Morrisons Supermarket, Hotel & the pub given over to developers significantly reduced or dare I say largely paid for the sports complex (not that I have the full facts), seems a reasonable conclusion to reach.
The land from the old Hilton Park Stadium & to the side of has been sold to the NHS & is close to completion of a new Mental Health Facility.
Leigh Harriers Athletics track has long since been sold off & developed for housing, more cash back to the Council Coffers or developer's.
If the Odsal site is able to take a large structure then bulldozing the Stadium & rebuilding new would be financially more beneficial long term than any improvements & ongoing repair & renovations.
If this were viable then a design could incorporate some retail &/or hotel as part of the structure or stand alone buildings.
I don't know the other site Bulls fans speak of, but if this is a larger site then the new pool, retail & leisure facilities, hotel etc could be viable.
Of course if Park Avenue or whatever they are called ground shared, that land + the Odsal site could go to developers to form part of the deal & reduce costs.
I don't see *other than attracting the right Bulls owners, developers & Council co-operation* how something along the lines of an LSV could not be achieved, though not on the Odsal site.
A 15,000 capacity stadium is all that is required, given an arbitrary build cost of 20 - 25 £M, costs could be significantly reduced by all the aforementioned features/facilities.
Now all you need is a wealthy new owner/group with vision & a forward thinking Council. [iEasy[/i
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A little reading material regards new stadium costs.
archistadia-en: Leigh Sports Village, promoting sport and inspiring the local community
archistadia-en.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... s.html?m=1
Of course LCRLFC did not pay for the stadium & despite popular belief, Wigan Council did not pay for the Stadium entirely at least.
The whole development was brought together by the Council, Developers, LCRLFC & numerous partners.
The cost of the Stadium, College, Pool, Athletics track & Leigh East Club & all sports pitches was largely offset by deals with developers.
The land for a new build housing development, Morrisons Supermarket, Hotel & the pub given over to developers significantly reduced or dare I say largely paid for the sports complex (not that I have the full facts), seems a reasonable conclusion to reach.
The land from the old Hilton Park Stadium & to the side of has been sold to the NHS & is close to completion of a new Mental Health Facility.
Leigh Harriers Athletics track has long since been sold off & developed for housing, more cash back to the Council Coffers or developer's.
If the Odsal site is able to take a large structure then bulldozing the Stadium & rebuilding new would be financially more beneficial long term than any improvements & ongoing repair & renovations.
If this were viable then a design could incorporate some retail &/or hotel as part of the structure or stand alone buildings.
I don't know the other site Bulls fans speak of, but if this is a larger site then the new pool, retail & leisure facilities, hotel etc could be viable.
Of course if Park Avenue or whatever they are called ground shared, that land + the Odsal site could go to developers to form part of the deal & reduce costs.
I don't see *other than attracting the right Bulls owners, developers & Council co-operation* how something along the lines of an LSV could not be achieved, though not on the Odsal site.
A 15,000 capacity stadium is all that is required, given an arbitrary build cost of 20 - 25 £M, costs could be significantly reduced by all the aforementioned features/facilities.
Now all you need is a wealthy new owner/group with vision & a forward thinking Council. [iEasy[/i
I fully expect to have holes ripped right through this post & that's fine, just an interested neutral who would like the Bulls & RL generally to prosper. | |
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| Quote ="RickyF1"At the beginning of last week the administrators said 3 people was involved with rugby back ground and his last statement he said 4 was involved with sporting back ground.
That's what makes me feel he is. And then I think Green could be the other aswell as Koucash and caisley'"
Richard Lamb would meet this criteria as well. The NDA's don't stop you saying you've submitted a bid, it stops you talking about the information you've received to bid against, and obviously no one will disclose what their bid is yet. I would be surprised if Lawn was involved once Julian Rhodes said he wasn't interested.
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Quote ="Ste100Centurions"A little reading material regards new stadium costs.
archistadia-en: Leigh Sports Village, promoting sport and inspiring the local community
archistadia-en.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... s.html?m=1
Of course LCRLFC did not pay for the stadium & despite popular belief, Wigan Council did not pay for the Stadium entirely at least.
The whole development was brought together by the Council, Developers, LCRLFC & numerous partners.
The cost of the Stadium, College, Pool, Athletics track & Leigh East Club & all sports pitches was largely offset by deals with developers.
The land for a new build housing development, Morrisons Supermarket, Hotel & the pub given over to developers significantly reduced or dare I say largely paid for the sports complex (not that I have the full facts), seems a reasonable conclusion to reach.
The land from the old Hilton Park Stadium & to the side of has been sold to the NHS & is close to completion of a new Mental Health Facility.
Leigh Harriers Athletics track has long since been sold off & developed for housing, more cash back to the Council Coffers or developer's.
If the Odsal site is able to take a large structure then bulldozing the Stadium & rebuilding new would be financially more beneficial long term than any improvements & ongoing repair & renovations.
If this were viable then a design could incorporate some retail &/or hotel as part of the structure or stand alone buildings.
I don't know the other site Bulls fans speak of, but if this is a larger site then the new pool, retail & leisure facilities, hotel etc could be viable.
Of course if Park Avenue or whatever they are called ground shared, that land + the Odsal site could go to developers to form part of the deal & reduce costs.
I don't see *other than attracting the right Bulls owners, developers & Council co-operation* how something along the lines of an LSV could not be achieved, though not on the Odsal site.
A 15,000 capacity stadium is all that is required, given an arbitrary build cost of 20 - 25 £M, costs could be significantly reduced by all the aforementioned features/facilities.
Now all you need is a wealthy new owner/group with vision & a forward thinking Council. [iEasy[/i
I fully expect to have holes ripped right through this post & that's fine, just an interested neutral who would like the Bulls & RL generally to prosper.'"
Ste, leaving aside the figures which I can't substantiate, Odsal itself is a massive area right on the Motorway, so your basic premise is a good one.
The biggest problem might well be finding businesses prepared to put their money on any of the ground available. Financially, it's far from the best time for commercial development and there is also so much closed down commercial property already available to just walk into. In many respects I think we missed the boat when the 'superdome' fell through. |
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Quote ="Ste100Centurions"A little reading material regards new stadium costs.
archistadia-en: Leigh Sports Village, promoting sport and inspiring the local community
archistadia-en.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... s.html?m=1
Of course LCRLFC did not pay for the stadium & despite popular belief, Wigan Council did not pay for the Stadium entirely at least.
The whole development was brought together by the Council, Developers, LCRLFC & numerous partners.
The cost of the Stadium, College, Pool, Athletics track & Leigh East Club & all sports pitches was largely offset by deals with developers.
The land for a new build housing development, Morrisons Supermarket, Hotel & the pub given over to developers significantly reduced or dare I say largely paid for the sports complex (not that I have the full facts), seems a reasonable conclusion to reach.
The land from the old Hilton Park Stadium & to the side of has been sold to the NHS & is close to completion of a new Mental Health Facility.
Leigh Harriers Athletics track has long since been sold off & developed for housing, more cash back to the Council Coffers or developer's.
If the Odsal site is able to take a large structure then bulldozing the Stadium & rebuilding new would be financially more beneficial long term than any improvements & ongoing repair & renovations.
If this were viable then a design could incorporate some retail &/or hotel as part of the structure or stand alone buildings.
I don't know the other site Bulls fans speak of, but if this is a larger site then the new pool, retail & leisure facilities, hotel etc could be viable.
Of course if Park Avenue or whatever they are called ground shared, that land + the Odsal site could go to developers to form part of the deal & reduce costs.
I don't see *other than attracting the right Bulls owners, developers & Council co-operation* how something along the lines of an LSV could not be achieved, though not on the Odsal site.
A 15,000 capacity stadium is all that is required, given an arbitrary build cost of 20 - 25 £M, costs could be significantly reduced by all the aforementioned features/facilities.
Now all you need is a wealthy new owner/group with vision & a forward thinking Council. [iEasy[/i
I fully expect to have holes ripped right through this post & that's fine, just an interested neutral who would like the Bulls & RL generally to prosper.'"
Ste, leaving aside the figures which I can't substantiate, Odsal itself is a massive area right on the Motorway, so your basic premise is a good one.
The biggest problem might well be finding businesses prepared to put their money on any of the ground available. Financially, it's far from the best time for commercial development and there is also so much closed down commercial property already available to just walk into. In many respects I think we missed the boat when the 'superdome' fell through. | |
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Ste, leaving aside the figures which I can't substantiate, Odsal itself is a massive area right on the Motorway, so your basic premise is a good one.
The biggest problem might well be finding businesses prepared to put their money on any of the ground available. Financially, it's far from the best time for commercial development and there is also so much closed down commercial property already available to just walk into. In many respects I think we missed the boat when the 'superdome' fell through.'"
I beg to differ. I work in construction and the big jobs we are pricing for now and in the future are large retail/commercial developments. |
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Excuse my ignorance but it this whole thing a blind bidding process? For example if Koukash offers to buy us for £10 and someone else offers £11, can Koukash up the offer? Would he even know who he was up against or what they had bid?
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"Excuse my ignorance but it this whole thing a blind bidding process? For example if Koukash offers to buy us for £10 and someone else offers £11, can Koukash up the offer? Would he even know who he was up against or what they had bid?'"
I believe that was what happened last time, bids were not high enough to match Mark Green's debt, despite Koukash and Roberts having more than enough to be better candidates. Hope it doesn't repeat itself |
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| Quote ="dummyrunner"I believe that was what happened last time, bids were not high enough to match Mark Green's debt, despite Koukash and Roberts having more than enough to be better candidates. Hope it doesn't repeat itself'"
Doesn't that prove that, in fact, people don't know the bids? Surely if Koukash or Roberts had known that Green had bid a few quid more, they could have simply blown him out of the water with a bid that he'd never have been able to match?
A proper auction-style bidding process would be better than 'bids in a sealed envelope' - certainly if, as seems to be the case this time, we have interested parties with some series money. |
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| Quote ="RickyF1"I beg to differ. I work in construction and the big jobs we are pricing for now and in the future are large retail/commercial developments.'"
In which case it should be a goer, I definitely can't find any other reason why not. Let's hope something like that works out - it would make a change for us to have some good luck! |
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| Quote ="Bulliac"In which case it should be a goer, I definitely can't find any other reason why not. Let's hope something like that works out - it would make a change for us to have some good luck!'"
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"A proper auction-style bidding process would be better than 'bids in a sealed envelope' - certainly if, as seems to be the case this time, we have interested parties with some series money.'"
And wouldn't that have the duel benefit of getting someone with more money to buy us, AND more money for the creditors? I don't understand how blind bidding helps. |
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It seems all will become apparent tomorrow after the "big meeting" or Thursday?...quite nerve racking really.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"And wouldn't that have the duel benefit of getting someone with more money to buy us, AND more money for the creditors? I don't understand how blind bidding helps.'"
So if it was a public auction, someone may bid just enough to get it, whereas there budget may have been double that so creditors miss out. A blind auction makes people bid what they think it is worth and what they can afford. |
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| Quote ="bowlingboy"It seems all will become apparent tomorrow after the "big meeting" or Thursday?...quite nerve racking really.'"
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| Quote ="bowlingboy"It seems all will become apparent tomorrow after the "big meeting" or Thursday?...quite nerve racking really.'"
What meeting is this?? Also will the RFL approved anything yet? |
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Think they mean the fan's meeting in the Goose. Not sure how "big" it will be in the Goose....
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Think they mean the fan's meeting in the Goose. Not sure how "big" it will be in the Goose....'"
think it was on facebook that it had moved to old bank next to goose. Bodes well if they havent even publicised clearly where it is.
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