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BN was asked on Thursday if he would consider taking over the coaching reins on an expenses basis only as they needed to get rid of all coaching staff. '"
I see. So like the other chap, you are also claiming that the offer to Potter to stay and work for nothing was a sham, and if he had said "yes", they would have told him, "actually, no, we didn't mean it, off you go".
OK.
Quote ="topbombing"...He asked that one be kept on and that he would do it as long as the whole thing was handled correctly (as he was mates with Potter). '"
Er, this is Noble's own account, not yours. The one quoted on Monday in the press.
Quote ="topbombing"Noble asked Cummins on Monday if he would stay on. He knew what was happening last week. Noble has never said he only found out on Monday as far as I'm aware.'"
Well then, let me increase your awareness. I will even do so without pay.
[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/03/brian-noble-bradford-bulls?newsfeed=true Guardian report[/url
Quote Noble returned to the country only on Monday after a six-week break in Australia and Fiji. That coincided with a morning of the long knives at Odsal, as the administrator laid off 16 members of Bradford's off-field staff including the head coach, Mick Potter.
"The administrator phoned me up, told me the situation and asked if I could help out for a while, maybe until the end of the season," Noble told the Guardian. "As a Bradfordian through and through who's been made a freeman of the city, and having spent 35 years at the club, I said 'yes'. That's been my only motive whatsoever, to try and help out."
He confirmed that he had immediately approached Francis Cummins . . . .'" ,
We know that this approach was made on Monday, so there is the second confirmation (the first being the plain wording of the article that Guilfoyle made the sackings , then told Noble of the "situation"
Quote ... to work alongside him. "You need a thread to keep it going," Noble said. "I know Franny, he's a good guy and a good coach who is going to be a head coach himself. And I couldn't do it by myself anyway, there would just have been too much to do.'"
If you want specific nailed-down confirmation, though, here it is:
Quote "I actually left him a message and then he left me a message back saying that, with everything that had happened, he didn't think he could do it. We did speak later in the night and that's the way it was left, but by that stage they'd had the supporters' meeting when Mick said there was some kind of conspiracy theory going on. Do you know what, I don't need that. There's no kind of conspiracy.'"
Next, Potter himself dates the call from Noble to Cummins as on the Monday too;
[url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/9793872.Bradford_Bulls__Potter_fury_at_talk_of_Noble_return/?ref=mrT&A report[/url
Quote “This afternoon Franny Cummins received a phone call from Brian Noble, asking him to work at the Bulls because he needed some help and would Francis do that,” said Potter.
“He sent it as a message so Francis didn’t return the call.'"
This corresponds 100% with what Noble said, and what Cummins said.
Or maybe now you are going to say that Potter and Cummings are also lying about when these calls etc took place? Maybe the T&A, the Guardian, and all the media and all the fans have conspired to pretend the fans meeting was on Monday, but really it was the previous Friday?
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| FA, i like your use of quotes again. Just to clarify, are you confirming that you are STUPID enough to rely on journalism?I am taking it as confirmation, as all of your arguements are based on newspaper articles.
your quotes above dont seem to show noble saying he was contacted on monday. do you have any quotes saying that?
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| Quote ="slideby"FA, i like your use of quotes again. Just to clarify, are you confirming that you are STUPID enough to rely on journalism?I am taking it as confirmation, as all of your arguements are based on newspaper articles.'"
Sadly, I don't have a big-mouthed loose-tongued friend who is bezzy mates and a close confidant of Nobby, but who is prepared to betray that trust to thoughtless toerag mates who in turn want to seek kudos by in turn betraying that confidence on a public forum.
As apart from nutters claiming to have such "mates", we are all going on the quotes we have read in the press. The fact that people bull and the fact that many articles are unreliable is a generalisation. There is no reasonable doubt about these particular quotes on this particular subject from Guilfoyle, Potter, Cummins and Noble, as they are all reported as saying the same thing, by different journalists, in different publications.
Quote your quotes above dont seem to show noble saying he was contacted on monday. do you have any quotes saying that?'"
You need to learn to read, as they clearly do. But why ask, since surely it would be STUPID of you to rely on any such?
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| Imagine this is like listening Caisley and Hood squabbling over who's right about a completely insignificant thing when the club comes crashing down around us.
What are you two trying to achieve here?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Sadly, I don't have a big-mouthed loose-tongued friend who is bezzy mates and a close confidant of Nobby, but who is prepared to betray that trust to thoughtless toerag mates who in turn want to seek kudos by in turn betraying that confidence on a public forum.
As apart from nutters claiming to have such "mates", we are all going on the quotes we have read in the press. The fact that people bull and the fact that many articles are unreliable is a generalisation. There is no reasonable doubt about these particular quotes on this particular subject from Guilfoyle, Potter, Cummins and Noble, as they are all reported as saying the same thing, by different journalists, in different publications.
You need to learn to read, as they clearly do. But why ask, since surely it would be STUPID of you to rely on any such?'"
So to clarify, you are STUPID enough to rely on a newspaper article. Then call people nutters and toerags who dont simply rely on these newspaper articles. I see.
My reading is fine. Where in the direct QUOTE you used, does it say 'I was contacted on Monday'. I am happy to rely on direct quotes as these are goverened closer by our glorious libel laws Or could the said quote be followed be journalistic comment giving the impression it was on Monday? No wait, wait. What am i thinking. it must be the another consipiracy theory I have. Journalists CANNOT, COULDNT possibly word an article using quotes to give the reader an impression that is not 100% accurate, that would be impossible.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Imagine this is like listening Caisley and Hood squabbling over who's right about a completely insignificant thing when the club comes crashing down around us.
What are you two trying to achieve here?'"
I am trying to defend attacks against myself, having posted accurate information on a forum that is pertinent to our current mess and the readers here.
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| I think if the game goes ahead at the weekend H&S will require all handbags to be left on the gate as posts on this thread indicate potential trouble?
I think the majority of fans thought MP was doing an amazing job in very difficult circumstances and would have liked him to stay, but if any one of you were asked " look you are doing a tremndous job in a calm dignified manor, do you mind doing it for free" I think we all know what the majority response would be. So as MP is not an option now then can we all give our uneqivical support to BN - a Bradford lad to the core, and a highly rated coach to boot - we are "incredibully "
lucky to even have this as an option.
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| Quote ="slideby"I am trying to defend attacks against myself, '"
You were the one calling FA stupid
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"
What are you two trying to achieve here?'"
Mainly contesting the proposition that Noble is a liar.
Quote ="slideby"So to clarify, you are STUPID enough to rely on a newspaper article. '"
I may not be the only one:
Quote ="slideby"Post subject: Re: Heath Lestrange Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:44 pm
Not broken!!!!![urlhttp://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/8882841.Bradford_Bulls_receive_good_news_on_L___Estrange_injury/[/url'"
Quote ="slideby"Post subject: Re: NRL Threequarter SigningPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:05 pm
Read an article on Daniel Mortimer from last week where it said another Eel (think it said a back)was in advanced stages with a SL team.'"
Why is it Ok for you to be so STUPID as to rely on journalists for your information, then?
But mind, you clearly do have your own hotlines to Nobby and others; there is no substitute for inside information:
Quote ="slideby"Post subject: Re: COACHING VACANCIESPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:45 am
next hull coach will be nobby'"
Oops.
Quote ="slideby"Post subject: Re: He {Leon} is coming Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:21 pm
having heard it wasnt going to happen until 2012, i was told last night that pryce is 'very likely' to be at the bulls this year. this is the same person who confirmed his brothers salary at Gloucester ie knows them.'"
Oops.
And your finger seems to have been right on the pulse of the Bulls players:
Quote ="slideby"Post subject: Re: The Ensuing Clearout At Odsal Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:30 am
My major concern here is that I have heard rumours potter isnt too popular at odsal. there have been comments he isnt too involved in the day to day on field training, hasnt developed relationships with the players and there is no 'club buyin'.'"
Or maybe you just believe you are a better bullter than you actually are?
Quote ="slideby"My reading is fine.'"
If so, then your comprehension is an epic fail.
I repeat, Noble was clearly speaking the truth, not lying nor being disingenuous, and suggest you accept that and move on.
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| You have still failed to show me a quote from Nobby stating he was contacted on Monday, the quote you used does not state he was contacted on Monday.
Whilst I appreciate you trawling through my previous posts, which of your examples show me using a journalistic report as FACT. the whole basis of your arguement stated that it CANT have happened that way soley based on the articles, thats slightly different.
Also, please not that all of those rumours were exactly what I was told. Nobby wanted the hull job and rejected cas at a similar time. This happened.
And the potter rumour is clearly stated as a rumour. I am pretty sure others posted similar accounts, and this is probably linked to the fact it was said to at least 4 people by a member of the coaching staff at a training course.
It was confirmed we were close to signing Leon (by hood I think), but the tax in Catalan tipped it. the very likely isnt too far out, as i certainly didnt state he had signed.
If nobby has stated he only heard about this on monday i will be shocked. shocked because I was told on friday this was going to happen, so somebody must be able to predict the future.
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| Point is slideby? I knew Noble was coming back way before we announced admin, didn't post because I knew what backlash I'd get. Didn't know he was coming back this way mind. But if he's coaching on Wednesday I think us fans need a chant for POtter to show our appreciation and a chant for Noble for helping us out.
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| my point is simple although its been slightly de railed. I posted because I thought it was important, and FA attacked this to suggest it was untrue. not incorrect, but a lie, and as such I have defended that this wasnt the case.
You have obv heard similar to myself RE noble (before it was announced that CC would try remove Hood etc),and i think I may have posted it. I am happy to support noble, I like the guy alot, but I wont have someone tell me I am lying because they have read an article saying otherwise.
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| Ak okay sorry, I couldn't be bothered reading back through 2-3 pages of crap lol. Yeah I knew he was coming back was supposed to be for 2013 season though, deffo next coach after Potter. However with us going into liquidation he's coming in early and getting sh*t off the fans. Unacceptable.
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| Monday may have been the first time that BN was asked to be an unpaid coach, but he may have been sounded out long before that but given no specific info in what capacity he may have been needed. ie. Guilfoyle being rather vague so he could carry out his agenda of a wholesale cull knowing he had a back-up option.......
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| Quote ="slideby"my point is simple although its been slightly de railed. I posted because I thought it was important, and FA attacked this to suggest it was untrue...I wont have someone tell me I am lying because they have read an article saying otherwise.'"
Stop waffling, man. Whether you were mistaken, making it up, misinformed or whatever is neither the point, nor of even remote interest to me. Your post was untrue, as it clearly meant that Noble had lied, but he did not. If you can accept that, then we can both shut the fsck up.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Stop waffling, man. Whether you were mistaken, making it up, misinformed or whatever is neither the point, nor of even remote interest to me. Your post was untrue, as it clearly meant that Noble had lied, but he did not. If you can accept that, then we can both shut the fsck up.
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you still dont have a 'quote' from BN saying that he was approached on Monday so I'm struggling to see what you dont understand?? I dont believe I am wrong. I believe that BN was asked whether he would take over for free on Thursday. I believe this because it is something he said, not an article I read. I am not saying he is lying as I havent, as of yet, seen where he states that he was only contacted on Monday.
Dont get me wrong, there may be one, he may say it, but I havent seen it yet. If he does say this, then I will then most likely call him a liar.
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| Quote ="Cows"Boring'"
I'm right, you're wrong,blah,blah,blah.....zzzzzzzz
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| Quote ="Cows"Boring'"
I know. I sometimes wish that I could even once, rise to the dizzy heights of your bewitching prose, but how can mere mortals compete with your stunning insights? It is enough that you let us share the crumbs from the bounty of your literary feast. Thank you.
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| Quote ="slideby"you still dont have a 'quote' from BN saying that he was approached on Monday so I'm struggling to see what you dont understand?? I dont believe I am wrong. I believe that BN was asked whether he would take over for free on Thursday. I believe this because it is something he said, not an article I read. I am not saying he is lying as I havent, as of yet, seen where he states that he was only contacted on Monday.
Dont get me wrong, there may be one, he may say it, but I havent seen it yet. If he does say this, then I will then most likely call him a liar.'"
FFS why don't the pair of you use the PM option, totally derailed thread......
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| Quote ="Gerrum on side ref"FFS why don't the pair of you use the PM option, totally derailed thread......'"
and your thread relates to Brian Noble how exactly?
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| Quote ="Gerrum on side ref"FFS why don't the pair of you use the PM option, totally derailed thread......'"
OMG another one. What - specifically discussing an approach to Brian Noble to coach the Bulls, on a Bulls forum, in a thread called "Brian Noble" is derailing it? On which planet?
But congratulations on your appointment as a moderator.
Quote ="slideby"you still dont have a 'quote' from BN saying that he was approached on Monday....
Dont get me wrong, there may be one, he may say it, but I havent seen it yet. If he does say this, then I will then most likely call him a liar.'"
The facts are plainly stated in the quotes. It is your fault you can't follow them, though I very much doubt you can't. Nevertheless I'll take a final stab:
1. The administrator phoned Noble
2. Noble confirmed he immediately approached Cummins.
=#0000FF(you need to concentrate on the word "immediately. The reasons will become clear)
3. We have confirmation from Potter and from Cummins that that phone message (Noble to Cummins) was on the Monday. Therefore, the administrator phoned Noble on the Monday.
=#4000FF(Otherwise Noble would be lying when he claimed he "immediately" phoned Cummins;. "Immediately" is not a word that can be misconstrued. Are you with me so far?)
4. Noble said he "[ileft him {Cummins} a message and then he left me a message back saying that, with everything that had happened, he didn't think he could do it. We did speak later in the night and that's the way it was left, but by that stage they'd had the supporters' meeting[/i."
"We did speak later in the night" can ONLY mean the night of the same day the message was left. It certainly can't mean "we did speak one night the following week". And it was the same day as the night of the supporters' meeting. That is, MONDAY. Not any day last week.
QED
Now, that is all crystal clear, to anyone who wants to understand it. Do you?
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| sorry, you are right. the QUOTE that you just provided with Noble stating he was FIRST approached about this on MONDAY makes it crystal clear. Im just glad you provided that rather than a mixture of quotes from people.
FYI, I am not doubting that BN immediatley contacted FC on Monday following confirmation that he could take over. I am suggesting he had already been approached on THURSDAY about whether he would work for free.
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| Quote ="Bulls Boy 2011"I hope Noble comes on board for Sunday, even if it is just naming the team and making interchanges. I think what is annoying people is not Noble coming in it's they way the administrator is handling things.'"
I suspect he still might. Maybe I'm a bit pedantic but Noble uses the present tense in his comment to the T&A; I only [iwant [/i to do what's best for the Bulls - my feeling is that the door is still open or he might have said he [iwanted[/i to do what's best for the Bulls. I certainly hope so, and I also hope that he realises that the fans obvious, and deserved, liking and respect for Mick Potter doesn't in any way mean we don't want him; we do. Please come Brian!
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| Quote ="slideby"sorry, you are right. the QUOTE that you just provided with Noble stating he was FIRST approached about this on MONDAY makes it crystal clear. Im just glad you provided that rather than a mixture of quotes from people. '"
What do you mean, sorry I'm right? I insist you withdraw that, so we can keep on arguing!
Quote ="slideby"FYI, I am not doubting that BN immediatley contacted FC on Monday following confirmation that he could take over. I am suggesting he had already been approached on THURSDAY about whether he would work for free.'"
As I've said, I have no doubt that many people will have been sounded out about many things, Noble and Tasker certainly among them. But too much of this agreeing already.
FWIW I am fairly confident Nobby will be in the dugout this weekend. I certainly hope so.
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