Can somebody please clarify exactly what went on here? I hear this 50% sky money "fine" being banded about all the time as though some injustice has occurred...

But my understanding at the time was that it was OK himself that came up with this idea. We were in danger of being voted out of super league by the other clubs, and so Ok offered this as a sweetener to persuade them and the RFL to let us remain in super league.
Therefore in my opinion there has been no injustice, we offered those terms, they were not forced upon us.

Was that not the case?

Correct that OK offered to forfeit 50% of the money.

I think the injustice part was what the clubs then voted to do with that money. Rather than "give it to Bradford, they're struggling anyway" (which admittedly is wishful thinking), or the more likely "pump it into youth development" or something community related, they decided to share it amongst themselves like the fat kid woofing down the leftovers rather than giving to the homeless bloke sat outside.

The other clubs getting that money meant they had an extra leg up on the steps down that forfeiting the money had already cost us.

For Rod’s information, the behemoth that is Barcelona FC, apart from paying a huge number of seven-figure and six-figure salaries to the legion of people who run it, are sponsored by
Nike
Qatar Airways
Beko
Gillette
Konami
Estrella Damm
Audi
Gatorade
Stanley Black & Decker
Allianz
Toshiba
Movistar
Coca Cola
...among others.

What with that, and a paltry average attendance of a mere 70,000 plus, I have no idea where they get their money from. I am sure however that this is exactly the model we could put in place at Odsal, and it is just a mystery to me why we can’t immediately go with Rod’s advice, indeed why doesn’t everybody do it?

Pfft. What have Qatar Airways got that Beds R Us haven't?

No it bloody wasn't. He was on the point of signing, and after 5pm that condition was sprung on him. Had he said no, and walked, as anyone except someone desperately and genuinely intent on saving the club would have done, we would have had no club. It was late in the evening and there was nobody else, no second chance, take it or leave it.

To have people years later madly claiming it was his idea is typical of the shoite which passes for comment on social media. The deal had all but been done, and then that curveball came in.

I have been asking rhetorically ever since we went tits again if the new buyer is going to get the same half money penalty for 2 years, but I suspect it was just a personal dig at Omar. They knew it was bollox and grossly unfair, they knew (or must have known) that it made keeping the club going at any normal level pretty much impossible - yet they did it anyway.

And of course the other SL clubs in their disgusting greed decided to help themselves to the money, adding insult to injury by actually stealing additional money, by using a bogus method of calculation, and everyone pretending not to notice.

Not quite correct. It wasnt 50% off the sky money. It was 100% of the sky money. But they spread it over 2 years so we got 50% funding two years running.

Beds R us guy is a joke...I would have kept a low profile if I was him put my bid in and kept myself to myself...
Where are our barriers!

In fairness, I did mean 50% over 2 years, which is essentially the same thing.

Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"No it bloody wasn't. He was on the point of signing, and after 5pm that condition was sprung on him. Had he said no, and walked, as anyone except someone desperately and genuinely intent on saving the club would have done, we would have had no club. It was late in the evening and there was nobody else, no second chance, take it or leave it. To have people years later madly claiming it was his idea is typical of the shoite which passes for comment on social media. The deal had all but been done, and then that curveball came in. I have been asking rhetorically ever since we went tits again if the new buyer is going to get the same half money penalty for 2 years, but I suspect it was just a personal dig at Omar. They knew it was bollox and grossly unfair, they knew (or must have known) that it made keeping the club going at any normal level pretty much impossible - yet they did it anyway. And of course the other SL clubs in their disgusting greed decided to help themselves to the money, adding insult to injury by actually stealing additional money, by using a bogus method of calculation, and everyone pretending not to notice.'" Thank You FA, I stand corrected. And for the avoidance of doubt, I have found this article from the T&A which pretty much backs up your claim, I hadnt seen this article at the time... www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... nding_cut/

Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"No it bloody wasn't. He was on the point of signing, and after 5pm that condition was sprung on him. Had he said no, and walked, as anyone except someone desperately and genuinely intent on saving the club would have done, we would have had no club. It was late in the evening and there was nobody else, no second chance, take it or leave it. To have people years later madly claiming it was his idea is typical of the shoite which passes for comment on social media. The deal had all but been done, and then that curveball came in. I have been asking rhetorically ever since we went tits again if the new buyer is going to get the same half money penalty for 2 years, but I suspect it was just a personal dig at Omar. They knew it was bollox and grossly unfair, they knew (or must have known) that it made keeping the club going at any normal level pretty much impossible - yet they did it anyway. And of course the other SL clubs in their disgusting greed decided to help themselves to the money, adding insult to injury by actually stealing additional money, by using a bogus method of calculation, and everyone pretending not to notice.'" Thank You FA, I stand corrected. And for the avoidance of doubt, I have found this article from the T&A which pretty much backs up your claim, I hadnt seen this article at the time... www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... nding_cut/

Irvine in Former Cronulla chairman Damian Irvine is being lined up to run Bradford if a supporters group takes over the club. Irvine did a great job at the Sharks and now he is UK-based with the necessary knowledge to operate a rugby league club successfully. If fan ownership via Supporters Direct gets the reins, and that is no guarantee considering the interest in the Bulls, then Irvine will be involved. www.loverugbyleague.com/news_241 ... ip-63.html

Irvine in Former Cronulla chairman Damian Irvine is being lined up to run Bradford if a supporters group takes over the club. Irvine did a great job at the Sharks and now he is UK-based with the necessary knowledge to operate a rugby league club successfully. If fan ownership via Supporters Direct gets the reins, and that is no guarantee considering the interest in the Bulls, then Irvine will be involved. www.loverugbyleague.com/news_241 ... ip-63.html

I really hope this fan ownership stuff doesn't get anywhere near being the successful bid. You may as well send us part time straight away it if it happens.

Quote ="madasmcmadammcmad2"Irvine in Former Cronulla chairman Damian Irvine is being lined up to run Bradford if a supporters group takes over the club. Irvine did a great job at the Sharks and now he is UK-based with the necessary knowledge to operate a rugby league club successfully. If fan ownership via Supporters Direct gets the reins, and that is no guarantee considering the interest in the Bulls, then Irvine will be involved. www.loverugbyleague.com/news_241 ... ip-63.html'" Would expect anyone coming in with possible exception of lowe lot would need to appoint a CEO with rugby league knowledge and hopefully wouldnt accept anyone RFL foisted on them ALA ferres. Suspect this is more a case of irvine getting his name in frame rather than any serious intent from supporters direct group. AFAIK they arent even having a meeting til next week and theres been no mention of how they plan to fund anything. Suspect Brian smith might be in with a shout in a CEO type role too

Quote ="madasmcmadammcmad2"Irvine in Former Cronulla chairman Damian Irvine is being lined up to run Bradford if a supporters group takes over the club. Irvine did a great job at the Sharks and now he is UK-based with the necessary knowledge to operate a rugby league club successfully. If fan ownership via Supporters Direct gets the reins, and that is no guarantee considering the interest in the Bulls, then Irvine will be involved. www.loverugbyleague.com/news_241 ... ip-63.html'" Would expect anyone coming in with possible exception of lowe lot would need to appoint a CEO with rugby league knowledge and hopefully wouldnt accept anyone RFL foisted on them ALA ferres. Suspect this is more a case of irvine getting his name in frame rather than any serious intent from supporters direct group. AFAIK they arent even having a meeting til next week and theres been no mention of how they plan to fund anything. Suspect Brian smith might be in with a shout in a CEO type role too

I hope we get Lawn. Didn't i see earlier in the thread the Seabrooks guy linked? Where did that come from? Any substance to this?

Totally with you on the injustice done to OK, and amazed that the RFL allowed it to happen. There again on the last point, maybe not. You would have thought that the deduction would have been used to pay creditors, but no the SL clubs abdicated the moral high ground, took the cash and ran

Not so sure about the calculation basis though, can you email me the written agreement of how the deduction was to be both calculated and deducted over the two years?

I disagree - his sentiment is 95% gloat and 5% crap

He is a complete dick head.

Unfollowed long since

Just heard this rumour from someone that knows big nige's step son...apparently a few months ago they were saying Koukash to takeover Bulls with nigel jacking at RFL to run the club for him.....
How true I don't know what are your thoughts?

Gotta love Brian Smith...would be a real family affair!

Best one yet!

You saying its not a goer?

Halifax have never recovered since Big Nige was involved.

He'd have to pass the "fit and proper person" test. Doesn't look fit to me. (Needs to join the Marian and Derek charity diet to stand a chance)

No need, the deal was that they would receive half the other clubs' funding in each of the next 2 years.

The easiest way to explain this is say you were in a league of 4, and the Sky money was £8,000. So you should be getting £2000 each

If the deal is that you get HALF what the rest get, then it is not as easy to work out as it may seem. But it is if you say OK, I get 1 share, the other 3 teams get 2 shares apiece. Total 7 shares.

So you have to divide £8000 by 7. Ignore the pennies, and just work in round pounds. Then I get £1,143., the others get £2,286

But the way they did it was this:
Total Sky money £8000
One equal share = £2000
so “Bulls only get half of one share = £1000”
You can immediately see what's wrong with this; Bulls only get half what the other teams get, if the TOTAL funding is REDUCED. But it wasn't. And so, because they couldn't do simple sums, they ended up with a "surplus", here it would be (of course) the leftover £1000

Of course, 1 minutes work by a 10 year old with a pencil and paper would reveal where the mistake was, and correct it. Instead, the clubs and RFL conspired to pretend the "surplus" was real, and then proceeded to divvy it - but this time, excluding us from a share!!!!!!

So in my simplified example Bulls get £1000, the rest get (£2000 + £333) = £2333.

Same in the second year, so overall we get £2,000, everyone else gets £4666. Which most 10 year olds would agree, is not double what we get.

Trebles all round!

Hasn't Koukash hated big Nige from the start gotta be a far fetched one

With a salary of over 200k a year at the RFL, I doubt big Nigel is looking to come and get his hands dirty at Odsal!!

Friends.Met on a flight to Dubai.Nigel Woods expounded on how great the sport is and offered to inform him if a club needed a financial input.

Dr Koukash had been invited to a game at St Helens by Mr McManus and enjoyed the sport.

I think it is due to the friendship that Dr K can indulge in his Twitter banter ( aimed at Nigel Woods.)

Some folk don't seem to get it.

But I think he persists for those who do.