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| Quote ="pie.warrior"I must learn to type faster...lol'"
I was writing my question for ages!!!! trying to get the wording to sound right, must of just beat you to pressing send!!!
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"I always thought it was down to him to get the best deal for the creditors and nothing more. But the current administrator seems to be making noises suggesting the long term future of the club is also quite a large consideration, which is different to how I've always understood it before.'"
I hope it is also the second part
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| Well, I'm pretty sure that last time around we were told that 'the Administrator gets the best deal for the creditors' - which was how we ended up with Green rather than Koukash.
It's obvious that Koukash has considerably more money, but offered a very poor deal for the creditors. By contrast, Green had no money (and, to be fair, never claimed he had) but offered a better deal to the creditors. It helped that he himself was the major creditor!
I agree that we are being told something different this time, with an Administrator seemingly more concerned about the longer term future than appeared to be the case last time or the time before. I wonder if the RFL have made noises about this to the Administrator? Either way, it's good to hear because it doesn't benefit anyone for us to be back in the same position in a couple of years.
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| Does anyone know if any deadlines have been set for offers of interest?
I liked Marwans response on Twitter to somebody asking him if mandy is buying the Bulls, "she is not telling me"
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| As I understand it creditors figure but are distinctly secondary to the appointor which in this case is HMRC.
Last time round the appointor was Green, IIRC.
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| thought green appointed administrators this time too to prevent hmrc gaining a winding up order.
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| Is it a pre pack administration?
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| Quote ="atomic"Is it a pre pack administration?'"
What's a pre pack administration?
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| Quote ="mat"thought green appointed administrators this time too to prevent hmrc gaining a winding up order.'"
I may well have misunderstood.
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| Quote ="RickyF1"What's a pre pack administration?'"
Its when you have a new company already setup and transfer the assets across to it leaving the debts with the original company. This doesnt appear to be one.
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| Pre-packs are normally done in the same day, this is not a pre-pack.
HMRC forced Green's hand and now we are where we are.
What I find dumb about all this - and this isn't just limited to the Bulls - is that HMRC would have gladly liquidated the company as a result of the monies they were owed. In all likelihood the cash this would have generated would be nowhere near the amount they were claiming, and so the revenue (and ultimately the tax payer) would have lost money.
For whatever reason the alternative solution of working with their debtors and ironing out repayment structures, to make sure that they (eventually) receive the full amount in question plus interest, is never really given a fair crack of the whip.
I've seen this quite a lot, not just with the Bulls or other clubs, and it always seems like a bit of a backwards approach to me.
I guess in our case we were already tainted in their eyes and had simply used up our nine lives.
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| Quote ="RickyF1"What's a pre pack administration?'"
It;s a club you buy at IKEA.
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| Quote ="RickyF1"Is it the responsibility of the administrators to get as much money for the creditors as possible or are they allowed to take in to account the long term future of the Bulls?'"
Like all things Bulls, it's a bit of a grey area. The Administrator has to get the best result for the creditors. To do this the club really needs to be a going concern and for this they need some input from the RFL regarding who they would accept as an owner.
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| Who do everyone think is most likely to take over at the bulls?
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| Danny Lockwood tweeting that the Bulls players aren't allowed to train as they aren't insured. It also sounds like he's suggesting that Marc Green has bled the pot dry. Not sure why it's a surprise tbh. If there were a few hundred grand in the bank then we probably wouldn't be in administration.
I hear tragic @OfficialBullsRL news. All cash gone: season tix, sponsorship, players told 'don't train not insured'. Answers Marc Green?
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| Quote ="Sensei-Bull"Danny Lockwood tweeting that the Bulls players aren't allowed to train as they aren't insured. It also sounds like he's suggesting that Marc Green has bled the pot dry. Not sure why it's a surprise tbh. If there were a few hundred grand in the bank then we probably wouldn't be in administration.
I hear tragic @OfficialBullsRL news. All cash gone: season tix, sponsorship, players told 'don't train not insured'. Answers Marc Green?'"
He also wrote a book called The Islamic Republic of Dewsbury and has an assault conviction. I'll not worry too much about his ramblings.
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| Must have been cardboard cutouts that have been training this week then.
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| Quote ="Nothus"Pre-packs are normally done in the same day, this is not a pre-pack.
HMRC forced Green's hand and now we are where we are.
What I find dumb about all this - and this isn't just limited to the Bulls - is that HMRC would have gladly liquidated the company as a result of the monies they were owed. In all likelihood the cash this would have generated would be nowhere near the amount they were claiming, and so the revenue (and ultimately the tax payer) would have lost money.
For whatever reason the alternative solution of working with their debtors and ironing out repayment structures, to make sure that they (eventually) receive the full amount in question plus interest, is never really given a fair crack of the whip.
I've seen this quite a lot, not just with the Bulls or other clubs, and it always seems like a bit of a backwards approach to me.
I guess in our case we were already tainted in their eyes and had simply used up our nine lives.'"
I would imagine they work to a pre-determined flowchart and don't have the time or resources to fanny about entering into discussions. It'll be a case of pass it to the lawyers and be done.
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| Quote ="RickyF1"Who do everyone think is most likely to take over at the bulls?'"
My bet is on someone with no money to invest, no business sense and no idea how to run a rugby club.
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| Quote ="Sensei-Bull"Danny Lockwood tweeting that the Bulls players aren't allowed to train as they aren't insured. It also sounds like he's suggesting that Marc Green has bled the pot dry. Not sure why it's a surprise tbh. If there were a few hundred grand in the bank then we probably wouldn't be in administration.
I hear tragic @OfficialBullsRL news. All cash gone: season tix, sponsorship, players told 'don't train not insured'. Answers Marc Green?'"
Saw that, but also saw a video from training posted by Gary Dempsey. Strikes me that someone is trying to make up his own stories due to us having an administrator this time who prefers NDA's to daily sessions in the lime light.
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| Quote ="debaser"My bet is on someone with no money to invest, no business sense and no idea how to run a rugby club.'"
I'm hoping for Mr Lawn or Mandy
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| This Admin has a strange feeling about it speaking to players about they seem not concerned.
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| Quote ="redeverready"This Admin has a strange feeling about it speaking to players about they seem not concerned.'"
The administrators have a very unfamiliar air of professionalism about them. Very strange!
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| On the insurance issue, this could actually be true. The club is no longer a member of the RFL so if insurance is done through the RFL it's likely void
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| When should the players and staff get paid?
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