To be fair, as a Saints fan who attended those games, i also felt cheated.

Luckily as a result, the RL introduced the squad naming system to prevent it from happening in the future.

Fair point

softcocks is the word your looking for

I thought it couldn't get worse, it just did.

Absolute and total load of crap. The amount of times we lost possession on the first tackle was embarrassing. In fact, the whole bloody game was embarrassing.

If it wasn't for the laugh we had at the end, I would have left utterly and totally depressed.

To be fair to Bradford there was a lot of effort about. Whitehead, Sykes and a few others were putting themselves about.

What made it look so daft was Bradford's lack of completion. I would LOVE to see the stats for the game. I'd say Bradford knocked on in their own 20 a good 10 times. It seemed like everytime Saints completed a set and Bradford got the ball they made a mistake on the first play of their set, knocking it on or throwing a stupid pass for an interception.

Bradford also looked very vulnerable to any sort of movement from the attacking side. The likes of Eastmond, Lomax, Foster, Wilkin and Ashurst were just trying reverse passes to players running diagonal lines and they went through almost at will, Bradford's defense seeming incapable of dealing with any movement.

I felt a tinge of sadness about the game tonight. 9,034 turned up to watch a Saints friendly lineup (Seven or eight senior pros missing) absolutely hammer Bradford. Three or four years ago that would have been a mouthwatering clash between two big rivals. Instead it was a game with no passion that barely raised a cheer nevermind the roof. The rivalry has gone completely and Bradford's future looks bleak on that showing.

I felt sad watching that. Bradford, once a great club that I feared and borderline hated has now sunk to the level where their fans cheer ironically as they make it 56-4 with 10 minutes to go.

Look on the bright side there's always someone worse off than you. After watching that Mick's bus was late and he ended up missing his train and has been freezing his nuts off at St Helens Train station for the past 45 minutes. The next train isn't for another 10 minutes and then he doesn't know how he'll get from Manchester back to Bradford as he's already missed his connecting train poor sod.

Safe journey Mick God speed!

Ouch!


Incidentally, for those who were doubting the existance of one "Mick Gledhill" in the past, I can now confirm he does exist. I spotted him at the match today (thanks to the photos he posted) and Blotto went over and had a chat with him (although I was obviously too shy to do this.....).

I stand corrected in my previous suspicions that he was an alter-ego!

Just come back from the match after a mad drive around the m60.

right here we go i'm going to get linched after this!.

1) warm up. - Players seemed lathargic didnt seem like they were warming up more like a warm down!
2) Penalty count. - needs to come down these cost us silly tries. ( for the person arguing with me 10 mins from time it was a knock on by one player and the ref should give it, not look the other way as they have put 60 past us)
3) Game itself. - An utterly disgraceful performance to watch and i feel sorry for both sets of fans as they had to put up with 80 mins of that dribble. bulls yet again had nothing about them no flair no determination just rolled over and said shove it in my keister! Players not doing the basics made it look like we had been sat on our bums all day during this week instead of training.
4) kick to touch- every kick to touch looked to me like they only made an advantage of 5-10 meters until 10 mins from time the linesman had to do a bit of running,
5) fans! - this is for a small minority who think its good to blame the ref every second i thought the ref was spot on tonight, kept on hearing the same dribble of **** coming from mouths blaming the ref. if the players cant hold the ball when there getting tackled how is it the refs problem? offside from the kick off? dropped balls forward passes? all down to the team tonight. quotes from the fella i was arguing with '' they've put 50 past us the ref should let it play out'' - what when a bulls player knocked on what rules are we playing here?

What about when L'Estrange kicked a 40/20 and he gave head and feed to Saints? Then Puletua knocked on but he gave head and feed to Saints again.


It wasn't the worst performance from an official, but he wasn't "spot on" and he seemed very reluctant to penalise Saints - I saw a few offsides (Wilkin, Meli & Graham the main culprits) yet he didn't penalise them.

i thought he did all right. but to hear every 2 minutes blaming the ref as the lads on the pitch cant keep hold of the ball dont thinks on and shows a lot of people up to be frank!

It's not the refs fault we lost, or that we are dropping the ball.


But when everything you are doing goes wrong, and we cant even string a set of six together, it doesn't help when we are further hindered by constant blowing up from the ref or not awarding us head and feed from a 40/20.

Ah well, it didn't affect the result really, but it will just add to the players' frustration.

Well Bennett is spot on about the fans as I was stood with him.

There is a necessant fool who I always end up standing near at games when he feels like abusing referees for absolutely nothing.

At 16-0 Saints knocked the ball backwards, and Whitehead knocked on and he gave the head and feed to Saints (correct call). Yet this fool was completely dumbfounded in his views and abused the ref something chronic!

I think some people are a little bit narrow minded and think referees are the downfall and demise of the Bulls, when in fact we're actually an appaling excuse for a team.

How anyone had the audacity to clap that shower after tonight I'll never know, I've never been as embarassed to be a Bradford fan. It made it worse our fans were jumping around like idiots when we managed to put ourselves in the scoreboard, which we didn't deserve. I think being nilled would have been justification for an awful performance, against a Saints team which had a training session tonight.

It was a 40/20 in the first place, and Puletua knocked on, how could you say that was backwards?

Because the ball hit Puletua, and went backwards towards their own line.

And reading St.Hilaire's post match comments, he's as ing deluded as some of the fans out there.

Boll0cks! It was never going backwards.

It should have been our head and feed anyway, but apparently the French don't do 40/20s.

Couldn't comment on the 40/20 I didn't pick that up, although I thought L'Estrange was going on about something! But I disagree about the Puletua moment.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is some fans seem intent on missing the fact we are an awful excuse of a team. I was mortified and embarassed tonight.

I have my fair share of blasts at the referee - he did make some bad decisions.

If I'm the one who you stand near, I'm sorry! I let my emotions get the better of me sometimes, but I'm not using it as an excuse as to why we lost. The reason for that is simple - we were awful!

And it's not just us that think Child is terrible

Is L'Estrange your number 9? I thought the way he raced to form a quick scrum to stop the clock when 54-0 or so was cute. All the other forwards just glared at him as if to say, "Are you having a laugh?".

Aye.


He's the type of player who'll do anything to stop us getting nilled - so I'm not surprised.

If people don't blame the ref, they blame the players? Which would you rather be continually moaned about over 80 mins?

Not really based on tonight, but you get a lot more fans arguing amongst each other when constant rants are about the players ( with the odd exceptions who couldn't buy praise off fans) .

St Hilaire's comments are always deluded. Was it Crusaders away when he said something along the lines of we were unlucky not to get a result? I can't remember the actual quote. I give him slack cause he's just covering.

Unfortunately the Bulls have been all talk for too long.

Pretty much the worst team i have seen, but i did only start supporting 93/94.

moan about the players there obviously not putting the effort are they? disgraceful to say the least!

My point was more that fans either moan about ref or their own players and most would lean towards the ref. I guess a lot also manage to moan about both and rightly so when you are losing by 50+ points.

Unfortunately i wouldn't put it down to lack of effort, more just not good enough with no decent coaching ATM.