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| Quote ="DrFeelgood"So in that case it will be handled by the LA?'"
No the LA's role is merely to register small lotteries - the Gambling Commission assign this role to them. All gambling is overseen and regulated by the GA following the rules contained within the Gambling Act. Government Agencies will almost always prosecute if you break the rules for a number of reasons including not being seen to be favouring an organisation, the agency, departments and individuals within it will have targets for prosecutions and to raise money for the government. If and when it goes to court the judge may apply discretion to any punishment imposed but it's a fairly serious offence to operate an unlicenced gambling operation (including a lottery) with a max punishment of 51 weeks imprisonment and a fine.
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| But who would be punished if a case such as ours where to end up before the judge?
The Organisation
The Head Honcho
His Manager in Charge
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"But who would be punished if a case such as ours where to end up before the judge?
The Organisation
The Head Honcho
His Manager in Charge
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I'd guess whoever is named as the 'promotor' or failing anyone being named the head honcho. Worth noting that both promoting and facilitating a non registered lottery carry the same maximum punishment (51 weeks jail) so potentially multiple offences. Any money collected during the period may possibly be viewed as criminal gains and need to be repaid.
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| For the sake of a 20 quid admin fee it would seem heavy handed to impose big penalties for this, when the club have been running the lottery for years anyway. Unless of course a license was applied for and rejected.
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| Quote ="DrFeelgood"For the sake of a 20 quid admin fee it would seem heavy handed to impose big penalties for this, when the club have been running the lottery for years anyway. Unless of course a license was applied for and rejected.'"
And there's the rub. Unfortunately someone through laziness or incompetence is likely going to suffer the consequences. Crimes against the 'exchequer' have always attracted more severe punishments than you might expect......
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"I'd guess whoever is named as the 'promotor' or failing anyone being named the head honcho. Worth noting that both promoting and facilitating a non registered lottery carry the same maximum punishment (51 weeks jail) so potentially multiple offences. Any money collected during the period may possibly be viewed as criminal gains and need to be repaid.'"
According to my Big 1 membership card it's Robbie Hunter Paul. but whether he is now??
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| I'm new here as an account holder but have been reading for a good while.
What has been taking place from the person posting as Nestegg is truly poor form. The person is known to most people closely involved with the club at the top table but not widely known by Bulls Supporters or generally.
The person isn't given any credibility by anyone who knows them because too many times in the past this kind of behaviour has been demonstrated and everytime no evidence has been provided for the many various accusations and claims made.
The person attended fan forums recently of the bulls but didn't utter a word or offer a question.
He called players fathers who had contacted him on this forum looking for help and answers, believing initially to be someone who knows something. They were badly let down and very angry to discover there is no substance or credibility to this person.
The person when referring to "meeting council" and things of that nature is correct, but they are nothing more than a serial pest contacting their local council representative, staff, or MP to sprout the same type of conspiracy theories that they sprout on here.
They make claims they know people and are working with people who do have a high profile or respected name, however these claims are generally baseless and when given scrutiny generally reveal that this Nestegg has called and left a message or written an email once to the said high profile person.
They will then go to another high profile person and say " XYZ is involved and I am doing work for them, I have a consortium of legal advisors and experts and I am heavily involved in the new take over of the Bulls" ...for example.
It isn't true.
Like most Bulls fans they have good reason to be sceptical and to ask for answers of the previous and current regime. The Nestegger has been contacting various well respected rugby league journalists for a number of months with the same rantings and has been asked for provide some semblance of evidence or proof, but fails to deliver every time when called out.
It is all very familiar to their rantings on here.
During the Green era and administration and in the first year of Andrew Chalmers arrival at the club, a person and some friends approached Chalmers and the Bulls offering legal expertise and assistance in the RFL and player TUPE claim that was a feature of the terrible year that was 2017. Incredibly Chalmers fell into the story and allowed them to act for a very short time for the Bulls on the matter. this didn't last long.
They also looked into the Frozen lottery account as well but were unable to achieve any headway with the administrator Mr Pettit and that "help" faded away also.
It did give the people involved a little bit of knowledge and insight which few people have of the club and goings on. I make no comment on why that would be relevent here other than to say it doesn't take much to pretend you know everything.
The same person attended a local amatuer rugby club on the morning of the NRL Grand Final and was pretending to be involved with Sport England as an investigator of some description and making some noises about Odsal and Nigel Wood and sport england investigation that isn't actually taking place. That person has no involvement at all with Sport England.
I'm sure none of this will come as a surprise to most readers here but thought I would make the point clearly
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| Thanks for clearing that up Stuart.
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| Quote ="ArastuJah"
The same person attended a local amatuer rugby club on the morning of the NRL Grand Final and was pretending to be involved with Sport England as an investigator of some description and making some noises about Odsal and Nigel Wood and sport england investigation that isn't actually taking place. That person has no involvement at all with Sport England.
I'm sure none of this will come as a surprise to most readers here but thought I would make the point clearly'"
He said he was acting on behalf of sport england about monies not paid by the RFL (which sport england allocated to the RFL) to amateur clubs upon signing for clubs in different tiers of the game.
He then later went on to talk about the pension scandal etc and that sport england had a vested interest in odsal (which I could not belive would be true). He never once mentined Nigel Wood though as I was speaking to him myself at length, to be honest there was no one atthe club other than me who would have spoken about the Bradford Bulls to someone of that ilk.
Once I saw the name Charles I did actually think this person was him. He was a very articulate man and can b read as that in the posts
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Thanks for clearing that up Stuart.'"
 wouldnt be a susprise in the slightest
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| I'm definately not Stuart Duffy. Any person who has been an integral part of the Bulls management through the past years of diabolical standards and waste should move out on principle and not be a part of any new management at Tong or wherever we play.
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| Quote ="ArastuJah"I'm definately not Stuart Duffy. Any person who has been an integral part of the Bulls management through the past years of diabolical standards and waste should move out on principle and not be a part of any new management at Tong or wherever we play.'"
Totally agree
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| This thread is great. When do we get the bottle that says "Drink me" and the cake that says "Eat me"?
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| I have to say, I have heard some bulls hit stories in my time and listened to lying conniving fools. It was my job to listen them for nigh on 30 years. EVERY time I read the Nestegg bulls hit, I just laugh to myself and think 'why would anyone believe this fantasist?'. Amazingly it seems some have and some do believe it.
Whoever writes this rubbish is not articulate, is not intelligent legally, financially or otherwise and is definitely not someone with inside knowledge. Whoever it is, is just a bulls hitting fantasist. Please stop listening to whoever it is and ignore his/her rubbish.
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| Quote ="ArastuJah"I'm new here as an account holder but have been reading for a good while.'" Ok but I'm not sure many will believe you
Quote The same person attended a local amatuer rugby club on the morning of the NRL Grand Final and was pretending to be involved with Sport England as an investigator of some description and making some noises about Odsal and Nigel Wood and sport england investigation that isn't actually taking place. That person has no involvement at all with Sport England.
I'm sure none of this will come as a surprise to most readers here but thought I would make the point clearly'"
Nearly everything you mention on this post is available within this thread. For someone attacking Nestegg, you are showing a lot of the same characteristics. Queue response by Nestegg attacking ArastuJah and agreeing with me (but I won't see it as I've blocked Eggface)
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| Quote ="ex Bull Dog"Ok but I'm not sure many will believe you
Nearly everything you mention on this post is available within this thread. For someone attacking Nestegg, you are showing a lot of the same characteristics. Queue response by Nestegg attacking ArastuJah and agreeing with me (but I won't see it as I've blocked Eggface)'"
Was thinking the same about the availability of information told in the post
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| Unfortunately some people are gullible, there was a case around 10 years ago on an aviation forum (Prune.org) where a chap had multiple posts describing how he was starting an airline with L1011 aircraft (I think it was going to be called Lion Air ? ) his posts were very technical and knowledgeable, in the end he had fully staffed his "airline" with qualified pilots,cabin crew and ground staff from the forum !! It was only after some promises started to unravel that he was found to be a Walter Mitty (much like Nestegg) who eventually had multiple legal actions taken out against him by people who had been conned into employment contracts, he was tried in court and completed a jail sentence.
So many "sensible" people were fooled by his posts, it really does sound familiar.
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Which scallywag wrote this. Tell teacher.
Q: Hello to the new consortium
Many thanks for giving Bulls fans a vehicle to speak directly to the board. My points below are not meant to be aired in public, but I would appreciate you digesting these thoughts from a loyal follower of the club.
Having been a season ticket holder on and off since 2002, I have spent both plenty of cash and time in supporting the club throughout the highs and the (too many) lows. I am still a season ticket holder, as I will probably be into the coming season. However, in common with a good many reasonable, mature, and loyal individuals, I am becoming somewhat unsettled by the muddied waters which now surround both the ownership and the future fortunes of the Bulls.
I am a member of RLFANS.COM, which as its name suggests, is populated by RL loving individuals - some sane and sensible, some slightly off the wall, and some downright ignorant and abusive. There are also a fair sprinkling of trolls who, unfortunately, have become synonymous with such forums. However, on the whole, the level of debate on the Bulls section tends to be relatively normal, with many views being discussed on many topics.
During the past month or so, following a similar timeline to your takeover of the club, an individual who supposedly speaks on behalf of a somewhat shady group, has been posting a large amount of both statements and questions which point towards distrust of your intentions.
This is clearly de-stabilizing many supporters who read these forum posts. I am a prime example of this, as I am seriously considering whether to renew my season ticket, given that the problems of the club may not be done and dusted.
The individual posts under a certain username and has posed many serious questions, and made strong allegations of potential mismanagement of the club. I am aware that questions are also being raised by various strands of both the media and the clubs themselves, and no doubt they are likely to be asking similar questions to the poster.
In light of these challenges, and to give some confidence to the long suffering supporters, would it not be time now to take a view of the issues being raised, and either completely refute all the nonsense or readily accept that some of the elements have some semblence of fact.
I believe that we all want to see the Bulls continue into the future, and that a successful club is important to the RL as a whole. I also believe that a total regime of honesty, openness, and sincerity is the only method of taking the remaining supporters with you into the new season and beyond.
Thank you for taking the time to read these few lines. I wish you and your fellow shareholders success in your endeavors to stabilise and grow the Bulls brand.
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A: We are aware of some of the posts. Unfortunately we can't actually stop people insinuating, hinting, alleging or generally trying to de-stabilise the confidence. It is a simply truth that we can't prove a negative, nor can one disprove someone’s prejudice or conspiracy theory, we have no sensible course of action to anyone who says “we hear you but we don’t believe”.
It is not our job to pass comment about past management. We haven’t the time really. We will work tirelessly trying to recover the position of the club and will expend all our energy looking forward.
Some of the so-called journalists who are most critical and lack most objectivity haven’t even contacted the club, let alone asked for interviews with the key stakeholders. Some critics haven’t been to game in years. Some don’t even support the club and seem to enjoy causing aggravation for the club.
We won't give in or give up. We will work with all those who want to work positively with us. The others can please themselves.
Many thanks
The Bulls
www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/article/ ... s-answered
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Which scallywag wrote this. Tell teacher.
Q: Hello to the new consortium
Many thanks for giving Bulls fans a vehicle to speak directly to the board. My points below are not meant to be aired in public, but I would appreciate you digesting these thoughts from a loyal follower of the club.
Having been a season ticket holder on and off since 2002, I have spent both plenty of cash and time in supporting the club throughout the highs and the (too many) lows. I am still a season ticket holder, as I will probably be into the coming season. However, in common with a good many reasonable, mature, and loyal individuals, I am becoming somewhat unsettled by the muddied waters which now surround both the ownership and the future fortunes of the Bulls.
I am a member of RLFANS.COM, which as its name suggests, is populated by RL loving individuals - some sane and sensible, some slightly off the wall, and some downright ignorant and abusive. There are also a fair sprinkling of trolls who, unfortunately, have become synonymous with such forums. However, on the whole, the level of debate on the Bulls section tends to be relatively normal, with many views being discussed on many topics.
During the past month or so, following a similar timeline to your takeover of the club, an individual who supposedly speaks on behalf of a somewhat shady group, has been posting a large amount of both statements and questions which point towards distrust of your intentions.
This is clearly de-stabilizing many supporters who read these forum posts. I am a prime example of this, as I am seriously considering whether to renew my season ticket, given that the problems of the club may not be done and dusted.
The individual posts under a certain username and has posed many serious questions, and made strong allegations of potential mismanagement of the club. I am aware that questions are also being raised by various strands of both the media and the clubs themselves, and no doubt they are likely to be asking similar questions to the poster.
In light of these challenges, and to give some confidence to the long suffering supporters, would it not be time now to take a view of the issues being raised, and either completely refute all the nonsense or readily accept that some of the elements have some semblence of fact.
I believe that we all want to see the Bulls continue into the future, and that a successful club is important to the RL as a whole. I also believe that a total regime of honesty, openness, and sincerity is the only method of taking the remaining supporters with you into the new season and beyond.
Thank you for taking the time to read these few lines. I wish you and your fellow shareholders success in your endeavors to stabilise and grow the Bulls brand.
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A: We are aware of some of the posts. Unfortunately we can't actually stop people insinuating, hinting, alleging or generally trying to de-stabilise the confidence. It is a simply truth that we can't prove a negative, nor can one disprove someone’s prejudice or conspiracy theory, we have no sensible course of action to anyone who says “we hear you but we don’t believe”.
It is not our job to pass comment about past management. We haven’t the time really. We will work tirelessly trying to recover the position of the club and will expend all our energy looking forward.
Some of the so-called journalists who are most critical and lack most objectivity haven’t even contacted the club, let alone asked for interviews with the key stakeholders. Some critics haven’t been to game in years. Some don’t even support the club and seem to enjoy causing aggravation for the club.
We won't give in or give up. We will work with all those who want to work positively with us. The others can please themselves.
Many thanks
The Bulls
www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/article/ ... s-answered
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| I noticed that Pumptey  wasn't me though.
Fair play for them carrying on this Q&A. Interesting we've budgeted for 1000 ST and we've sold 731. I'm pretty confident we'll get through the 1000 barrier but it shows how much damage has been done to the supporter base.
It does appear they haven't censored the questions, I was glad to see the question regarding fans on the board and the question stressing they don't want a "social media fan" on the board. We don't want more propaganda.
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Quote ="Pumpetypump"Which scallywag wrote this. Tell teacher.
Q: Hello to the new consortium
Many thanks for giving Bulls fans a vehicle to speak directly to the board. My points below are not meant to be aired in public, but I would appreciate you digesting these thoughts from a loyal follower of the club.
Having been a season ticket holder on and off since 2002, I have spent both plenty of cash and time in supporting the club throughout the highs and the (too many) lows. I am still a season ticket holder, as I will probably be into the coming season. However, in common with a good many reasonable, mature, and loyal individuals, I am becoming somewhat unsettled by the muddied waters which now surround both the ownership and the future fortunes of the Bulls.
I am a member of RLFANS.COM, which as its name suggests, is populated by RL loving individuals - some sane and sensible, some slightly off the wall, and some downright ignorant and abusive. There are also a fair sprinkling of trolls who, unfortunately, have become synonymous with such forums. However, on the whole, the level of debate on the Bulls section tends to be relatively normal, with many views being discussed on many topics.
During the past month or so, following a similar timeline to your takeover of the club, an individual who supposedly speaks on behalf of a somewhat shady group, has been posting a large amount of both statements and questions which point towards distrust of your intentions.
This is clearly de-stabilizing many supporters who read these forum posts. I am a prime example of this, as I am seriously considering whether to renew my season ticket, given that the problems of the club may not be done and dusted.
The individual posts under a certain username and has posed many serious questions, and made strong allegations of potential mismanagement of the club. I am aware that questions are also being raised by various strands of both the media and the clubs themselves, and no doubt they are likely to be asking similar questions to the poster.
In light of these challenges, and to give some confidence to the long suffering supporters, would it not be time now to take a view of the issues being raised, and either completely refute all the nonsense or readily accept that some of the elements have some semblence of fact.
I believe that we all want to see the Bulls continue into the future, and that a successful club is important to the RL as a whole. I also believe that a total regime of honesty, openness, and sincerity is the only method of taking the remaining supporters with you into the new season and beyond.
Thank you for taking the time to read these few lines. I wish you and your fellow shareholders success in your endeavors to stabilise and grow the Bulls brand.
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A: We are aware of some of the posts. Unfortunately we can't actually stop people insinuating, hinting, alleging or generally trying to de-stabilise the confidence. It is a simply truth that we can't prove a negative, nor can one disprove someone’s prejudice or conspiracy theory, we have no sensible course of action to anyone who says “we hear you but we don’t believe”.
It is not our job to pass comment about past management. We haven’t the time really. We will work tirelessly trying to recover the position of the club and will expend all our energy looking forward.
Some of the so-called journalists who are most critical and lack most objectivity haven’t even contacted the club, let alone asked for interviews with the key stakeholders. Some critics haven’t been to game in years. Some don’t even support the club and seem to enjoy causing aggravation for the club.
We won't give in or give up. We will work with all those who want to work positively with us. The others can please themselves.
Many thanks
The Bulls
www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/article/ ... s-answered'"
I particularly liked the "My points below are not meant to be aired in public", to which they aired them in public 
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Quote ="Pumpetypump"Which scallywag wrote this. Tell teacher.
Q: Hello to the new consortium
Many thanks for giving Bulls fans a vehicle to speak directly to the board. My points below are not meant to be aired in public, but I would appreciate you digesting these thoughts from a loyal follower of the club.
Having been a season ticket holder on and off since 2002, I have spent both plenty of cash and time in supporting the club throughout the highs and the (too many) lows. I am still a season ticket holder, as I will probably be into the coming season. However, in common with a good many reasonable, mature, and loyal individuals, I am becoming somewhat unsettled by the muddied waters which now surround both the ownership and the future fortunes of the Bulls.
I am a member of RLFANS.COM, which as its name suggests, is populated by RL loving individuals - some sane and sensible, some slightly off the wall, and some downright ignorant and abusive. There are also a fair sprinkling of trolls who, unfortunately, have become synonymous with such forums. However, on the whole, the level of debate on the Bulls section tends to be relatively normal, with many views being discussed on many topics.
During the past month or so, following a similar timeline to your takeover of the club, an individual who supposedly speaks on behalf of a somewhat shady group, has been posting a large amount of both statements and questions which point towards distrust of your intentions.
This is clearly de-stabilizing many supporters who read these forum posts. I am a prime example of this, as I am seriously considering whether to renew my season ticket, given that the problems of the club may not be done and dusted.
The individual posts under a certain username and has posed many serious questions, and made strong allegations of potential mismanagement of the club. I am aware that questions are also being raised by various strands of both the media and the clubs themselves, and no doubt they are likely to be asking similar questions to the poster.
In light of these challenges, and to give some confidence to the long suffering supporters, would it not be time now to take a view of the issues being raised, and either completely refute all the nonsense or readily accept that some of the elements have some semblence of fact.
I believe that we all want to see the Bulls continue into the future, and that a successful club is important to the RL as a whole. I also believe that a total regime of honesty, openness, and sincerity is the only method of taking the remaining supporters with you into the new season and beyond.
Thank you for taking the time to read these few lines. I wish you and your fellow shareholders success in your endeavors to stabilise and grow the Bulls brand.
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A: We are aware of some of the posts. Unfortunately we can't actually stop people insinuating, hinting, alleging or generally trying to de-stabilise the confidence. It is a simply truth that we can't prove a negative, nor can one disprove someone’s prejudice or conspiracy theory, we have no sensible course of action to anyone who says “we hear you but we don’t believe”.
It is not our job to pass comment about past management. We haven’t the time really. We will work tirelessly trying to recover the position of the club and will expend all our energy looking forward.
Some of the so-called journalists who are most critical and lack most objectivity haven’t even contacted the club, let alone asked for interviews with the key stakeholders. Some critics haven’t been to game in years. Some don’t even support the club and seem to enjoy causing aggravation for the club.
We won't give in or give up. We will work with all those who want to work positively with us. The others can please themselves.
Many thanks
The Bulls
www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/article/ ... s-answered'"
I particularly liked the "My points below are not meant to be aired in public", to which they aired them in public 
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| I wonder if I'm "sane and sensible" or "off the wall". Actually don't answer that. I'm as cynical as anyone but it's a positive step openly answering the questions and concerns of the supporters. I agree that's a very modest season ticket total to budget for. But I suppose it's better to have an unexpected amount of income coming your way by budgeting low rather than the opposite.
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| My question is there, uncensored, about returning my ST after the squad being decimated - they published the question and answer in full 
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| Budgeting for 1000 STs is at least pragmatic. It's nice to know they don't have delusional expectations of the support for next season.
However, I remember Chalmers taking the pragmatic approach in his communications with fans when he first took over and we all know where that ended up.
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| Quote ="Frank Whitcombe"My question is there, uncensored, about returning my ST after the squad being decimated - they published the question and answer in full
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Yep I've spotted a few of the responses to mine too although not some of the questions (I asked if the bright spark who came up with the idea had scored an own goal following the initial negative response).
I also asked them to be public in their support for a full and transparent independent investigation into the past 7yrs since Odsal was sold.
Not me however asking about Scrambled Egg. Wonder if the originator will come forward?
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| On a side note, did anyone read Kear's comments in today's T&A. In it he's quoted as saying the fans understand where we are at.
Is he being really serious with that comment as I think he has totally misread the situation. Going by the clubs own ST sales figures we look likely to have lost around 60% of last years members. I think that goes to show that many don't agree as we simply don't know where we are at.
I have to admit I wasnt going to commit to a ST until I started to see this start to unravel (far too murky for my liking) but even I started to sway when the last two new signings were announced.
Right now I don't have a clue whether I will commit or not. I'm more inclined to only go to away games as that way I can still follow the team and get my rugby fix, but at least I know my money isn't going to an ownership group comprising of god knows who!!!
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