League Express advises the debt currently owing to creditors is 350k. Chalmers has written off any funds owing to him.

But surely they need to pony up and show that they have funds to clear the debts AND run the club?

An open message to Eric Perez from a respected and informative quasi social media outlet.

1) We admire your love of Rugby League and thank you for bringing Toronto into our great game and making a success of it. We wish you all the best with your upcoming Ottawa venture.

2) Notwithstanding the above, we do, however, with respect have a problem with you collaborating (or allegedly being duped into collaborating) with the parties who have brought the Bulls to their knees three times in the past seven years, and who have now in effect let it become a substantially insolvent business. Two such parties include the current and former Chief Executives of the RFL. They we allege are rightfully accused of the following:

i) Repeatedly turning away investors with millions of pounds to invest in the Bradford Bulls underpinned by robust offers to ultimately pay off creditors; David Thorne being a prime example of one such undoubtedly credible investor who was given the Wood/ Rimmer cold shoulder in early January 2017. Why? Because the ownership of our great club had already been gift wrapped for virtually zilch to Andrew Chalmers' several months prior, and in fact well before Marc Green's Bulls even first entered administration. Scandalous.

ii) Unduly penalising the owners they brought in by withholding a large part of the Sky/central funding money or deducting 6 or 12 points before the season started - yes, some of these actions could to a certain degree arguably be justified, but come on guys you know, and we know, you were for the main part seeking to purposefully 'keep our club down'.

Eric - you may wish to consider why would the RFL do this? We now know the answer - and so we aver do your new colleagues in the oddball BBBBB/BB17 consortium - the Odsal land grab.

We could say more, a lot more, but we will wait for say the likes of a judge to rigorously scrutinise matters in due course. The RL tier 2-3 clubs have been way too slow to complain about all this and their calls for a 'truly independent' inquiry, though well meaning, will likely prove to be far too little, far too late. We recommend a far more direct, and timely intervention.

As for the fine mess you've found yourself in Eric we conclude by offering two comments and two open questions:

a) £350K will not be the level of debt as of the end of November 2019; we are confident that it will be at least £500K plus;

b) How much were Nigel Wood and Mark Sawyer owed by Chalmers and/or BB17 as of the day before the recent fans forums?;

c) Do you really want to be involved in an enterprise that won't even immediately pay back the Bulls' ex and current players, and hard working staff, the pension monies that they were in effect allegedly defrauded of?, and finally

d) As a respected RL journalist legitimately commented this evening ..... "[iVery difficult as a supporter to part with your own money for a season ticket when there’s so many smokescreens"[/i.

It is high time for new blood to be brought in; not old, (allegedly) bad, blood.

If Mr Perez should actually register to this forum and in such an event..do you expect a response? I assume you have contacted him direct and that the above is merely for our perusal.

As per usual, and apologies for having to once again be evasive ... watch this space Phil

Out of interest why is anyone taking the comments of nestegg seriously?

Not a single person. Not one. Not even the people in nestegg's imagination who it claims are Private Messaging him/her/them/it with messages of support. They're all made up too.

It's the obsession with an Odsal land grab. it's not going to happen!

Only gullible people are.
Weren't we supposedly nearly £1m in debt and it would all come out before Xmas. Now it is £500k+.
Trolls who spend many hours typing and giving masses of details are still trolls.

If this person turned out to be genuine and took over the club who who honestly want to be part of his little world. I wouldn't, so if they are genuine then they are playing a stupid game on social media when sensible professional people would stay quiet and get on with things in the background. That tells me he is just a troll - yes a clever one but nevertheless - a troll.

The Ghost of '99 says ..... "Out of interest why is anyone taking the comments of nestegg seriously?"

If you don't like what they are saying Because it's clear Ghostie that they are on to summat. You dont need to be a rocket scientist to see that. Charlie and his gang took some stick at first, but as time has gone on that's dropped off big time.

If you, Dilligaf, Wooly07 and Blotto dont like what they're saying then offer some detailed counter argument, not just immature troll-like jibes. Or do what mods suggest and ignore 'em. BTW looking at ur posting history can i suggest that you don't get perturbed by bulls matters and go back to either helping the Rhinos survive next season, or for't next few weeks and months go back to worrying urself about the General Election and Brexit. 2 topics that are defo dull compared to endless Bulls soap opera.

For what it's worth me and my pals think that the eggy's may have got it cracked and could even be good for our club.

For all we know Front Row Grizzly might be Nestegg in disguise.

People lying on the internet? I find that hard to believe....

Downbutnotout - I can assure you I'm just a fan of many years, both of the club and of the sport. I've loked into forum from a distance for yonks, but though i'd join and put in my penny's worth. hope you don't mind.

I and a few similarly minded mates have watched very closely as the club has gone from one weird failure to another and constantly thought WTF at each reinvention.

All I can say is that I have a 'no smoke without fire' feeling about the nestegg group that just won't bugger off. Perhaps the eggers are on to something, perhaps they are not.

I do get a strong feeling that with the latest ownership something is 100% wrong. We always buy season tix and go to all away games, but this year we ain't bothering as it all stinks. The inclucion of certain individuals is defo wrong for starters. That's a fact most of us can agree on.

If the eggers are proved to be correct in their points then we are heading for a very sad day and I seriously hope not. They appear to be persistent in their line and haven't really deviated. That may be one reason why looking over the posts the trend has definitely shifted to their point of view. I think we are probably all lacking a bit of patience. I for one are doing my best to stay calm through yet another sh%tstorm but if it takes a cloudburst to flush out the sewer maybe it might not be a totally bad thing. If eggers are wrong then we plod on under another ownership that plenty are not trusting of right now.

As they keep saying watch this space. I just hope we don't have to wait too long either way.

i won't reply to another troll like abuse message - suggest instead we have a more sensible and intelligent debate. If u dont agree with the eggy's well worded points then explain in detail why you or others think they are wroong. OK.

Its easy for Chalmers to write off his six figure debt to Nigels new club, as it was Nigels Money that set up Chalmers and Lowe in 2017, no matter how much of a big cute cuddly Maori Teddy bear he is he wouldn't and nobody would just "write off" a six figure sum.
Why do you think big Nigel has been sat at most Bulls games since 2017 at Chalmers side?
The whole situation stinks, and the way the "club" are trying to extinguish any questioning of whats going on by saying it has already lost investors for them is laughable as what hard nosed financial backer with stacks of business acumen is put off by some nasty words on Bulls Facebook forums and twitter.

Perez will be gone after XMAS and RHP will be wheeled out as the new messiah and saviour, even though he has had a hand in the last 3 failures.

The Bulls situation and its handling since admin 1 is perverse, we have been passed around from 1poor owner (=#FF0000you can't say that mate - Bulliac) to another like the Armley cell block bi@ch

Why have you changed accounts? It's quite clear from the writing that this is someone who has previously posted under the "nestegg" name. Most people on here aren't as gullible as you seem to think.

Incidentally, I have used the "Ignore" function on your other account, as I will with other accounts that are clearly the same person/people. But when others quote it, that still shows up.

its like Guess who Dilligaf...are you Stuart Duffy?

Considering I haven't exactly hidden my criticism of the club in recent years, I think if I was Stuart, I'd have been sacked years ago! Although I confess, I never quite understand the level of abuse he seems to get from some Bulls fans. It's either from people who obviously know more about a situation than I do, or the opposite and they actually don't really know what he does but he's a recognisable figure that's an easy target. He's always been right with me to be honest.

Not often I agree with someone in green

Generally sports club owners just leave the debt there with no intent of calling it in - but when they are looking to get rid of the club they often write it off. e.g. Dave Whelan at Wigan, Paul Caddick at Leeds RU.

There's no difference in substance though - either way the person making the loan isn't going to get repaid. That's the way of the world with owning most sports clubs.

Does anyone think the Perez statement is slightly contemptuous in its tone?

Would not use that exact phraseology TBH. We'd more refer to the statement, well at least the one in today's League Express, as being factually incorrect, and rather embarrassing and/or desperate. Moreover, his figures re cost savings per Dewsbury BB home game when compared to hosting games at Odsal are utter bunkum.

We in all honesty would have expected a lot better of Eric P; or is that now Eric Puppet?

But Nesteggs say they're ready to head up a consortium to brin back the glory and let the good times roll again.

I can say without any doubt that he's not Stuart. for a start Stuart is dapper wears a suit and is a lot older!

Do you want to be our consortium campaign manager mate?

Long way to go yet, but we are getting there. We were at City Hall again today, and will be back again shortly. We were in part discussing the upcoming latest Bulls scandal.

We will also soon be meeting with other influential local politicians.

You must be Talking Heads fans ....................... Road to Nowhere!