Stuck at home ill watching and it's certainly been entertaining. No doubt we are missing Amor again and I dont think Silverdud has given us too much but were still in there fighting and the Goons are down to 15, will be interesting to see if we can start to make the extra subs count

I think if we look after possession a little better we'll pull away. It's probably going to end up being stressfully close, though.

Balls.

Dont know what Brown said to em at halftime but he needs to never say it again. It's been a dreadful second half performance so far. No go forward, no composure a very very very poor show

Phil Clarke's bias has never been more apparent.

Very poor. Matty Smith had all the time he wanted to kick the ball at the end of Wigan's first set of the half, and that set the tone. Have we finished a set since half time?

Not seen the stats but it wont be many. We have made a workmanlike goon team look much better than they are and our pack showed yet again that we rely too much on Amor. Very disappointing performance and the fact we looked like we'd given up with 20 minutes to go is pathetic

other than Wilkin and Wellens does any saints player know what it feels like to win a grand final? Shown today that you don't have the attitude of a trophy winning team, very much like Nathan Brown of Huddersfield. Just a complete demolishing job in the 2nd half even with 2 players injured early on.

Flash in the pan.

I wouldn't say we gave up with 20 to go. We just panicked. There was enough time to get back into a rhythm and claw our way back in, but we basically improvised the last half hour, with horrible results.

The main concern is that for three consecutive games we have been physically dominated for at least 40 minutes. That shouldn't be happening with the pack we've got.

Particularly against a pack that was running with 2 subs for over half the game.

Not gonna worry too much yet
Saints have had a great start to the season and probably needed this loss with the last couple of performances.
Could have lost the last 2 games and need to show more steel.
Lance has impressed me and I never wanted to see him in the red v again after the friendly against Wigan.
Wheeler will certainly be lucky to get a look in now.
Forwards are worrying. Amor is immense but the other guys need to step up
LMS isn't looking great at the moment.

I think the school report for this would be 'must try harder'.

Indeed. It was a very tough performance from your forwards.

You did make up for it by having Silverwood though.

Sorry but these needing a loss stuff is nonsense. No loss is a good loss. LMS is good when the goings good, he's not the kind of forward you want in an arm wrestle.

Yes, Lance has gone some way to winning me over. The way Jordan Turner has played over the last couple of weeks, though, I'd consider giving Wheeler a run at right centre.

Agreed. LMS is unconvincing as a front line prop.

Absolutely priceless!

even after his reply to me

We had no go forward from the pack.
We stood off in defense waiting for the runners and didn't close down any second phase attack.
The backs looked painfully slow in possession.
The whole team looked lethargic.
All the luck went the pies way today.

That performance has been coming for weeks and we will just have to accept it, dust our selves off and think about Monday. All of a sudden that is a big game.

We need someone in the dressing room before each half to wind the players up as Wane does. They looked, to a man, that they wanted it more. That for me is not acceptable.

We were beaten by the better team on the day. we accept it and move on.

Bottom line is that, as is normal in derbies, Wigan were much more aggressive than us, intimidated and dominated our pack from the start, and built a platform for their backs off that.

It truly pains me to say this, but I can't remember the last time a saints pack wasn't bullied and scared by the Wigan pack.

Only other point worth mentioning is that wane clearly, and correctly, identified turner as a defensive weakness. Both in terms of his tackling in space, and his Gardner-esque uselessness under a high ball. Turner needs to be dropped. Other teams will look to target him very week now.

Wigan was just to good for us today. No excuses from me about anything. Maybe the odd high shot etc but nothing IMO that would have changed the game.

Our defence was woeful. I said early in the season I feel our defence isn't as good as it should be and I got shot down. Do people still think it's good? I certainly don't!

Pre-season we spoke about how strong our pack is but I'm not so sure. We've been dominated the last 3 weeks. Today I was embarrassed at how soft our pack was. Wigan was very aggressive and physical and we was soft. If you take Amor out the front row and we struggle big time.

I'm not so sure the Mose, walmsley, Lms combo can work. Mose and big Alex are knackered after 15 mins, Lms isn't a front line prop so we depend on Amor to much. IMHO we need a prop brought in who is fit, agile and can do mins. It's clear how we struggle when Amor off the field or doesn't play.

To much emphasis on Walsh. When he goes quite, we go quite. That's not his fault, we can't expect him to play every set. Obviously we need a 6 but that's no big shock.

Some awful performances today but what does Matty Dawson offer? I'd rather have Ade back on the wing than him. Poor in defence and dead in a attack.

Shameful performance from Saints.

Is this season following 'the Brown philosophy' (start the season well, then fade into indifference)?

The writing's been on the wall for a few games now. The pack especially isn't being aggressive enough and winning the contact. On paper, we should be stuffing that rather average wi*an team. But, as has been said, we looked lethargic. And the game isn't played on paper. The semi-shaven ape had his players pumped and they looked like they wanted it more. That is inexcusable.

We had Brown before the game almost paying tribute to wi*an. WTF???? Has he no understanding of the hatred we have for the scummy, inbred, six-toed freaks?

Just as Brown took the platitudes for a good start to the season, so he must carry the can for this nauseating, powder-puff no-show.

Brown, either get the players up for games like this, or feck off.

The more I watch LMS the more I think he's really a big second rower. We have two very good impact type props but we could do with another tough grinder to back up Amor.

And Mose is the same!

Mose won't do the hard yards. It's very rare you'll see him take the ball up in our own 20m.

Got took apart. All credit to Wigan and more importantly Shaun Wane who manages to get his team up for it every time; something we really do lack.

Thought Mose and Walmsley did well but LMS was awful. As was the backrow who looked pretty invisible.

Felt sorry for Walsh who seems to be expected to fo everything for us. Obviously need a 6 who offers more than Lance does.

As far as defence, everytime Wigan shifted the ball wide we looked in trouble and that must be down to coaching surely?

Exactly what I posted earlier I the thread. We've got two impact props in Alex and Mose. Lms for me isn't a front line prop so it only leaves us with Amor.

I'd be very reluctant in picking LMS against Wigan again. He just gets smashed by the Wigan pack. When you play Wigan, you need to have fire v fire and to many soft forwards in our pack.