www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... Saint.html Agreed to sign for Saints and shook hands then signed for Leeds

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... Saint.html Agreed to sign for Saints and shook hands then signed for Leeds

Juuudas.

He'd agreed the deal for 6 weeks and then went to Leeds. I posted about this months ago.

So were the money gone that we had offered to griffin

So were the money gone that we had offered to griffin

From what i was told at the time, the was nothing else out there worth taking.

So the money is still there if need

Some of it to Jamie Foster maybe?

Jamie wouldnt have got much of a pay rise

Why would you say such a thing? Jamie has scored lots of try's and his kicking is invaluable, his pay rise is worth every penny whatever he got?

He's not the first and he won't be the last. Not as bad as those that sign illegal contracts before the anti-tampering deadline and then renege on them later though. That really is having your cake and eating it.

[iWigan had talks, and Warrington offered more money......but I want to win things![/i

Well, you've come to the right place my boy!

I wasnt saying Jamie a bad playet and didnt deserved his new contract but wat griffin would of been offered would of been a lot more then Jamie extension

i knew what you meant. Even if Griffins money has been divided up between all those with contract extentions that still leaves the money under the new Keep Tomkins rule, so we do have a hole in our cap somewhere. I very much doubt what ever Griffin was offered plus the Tomkins money could have been split up between a few of the younger lads on new contracts.

Also it does ask the question, what is the difference in recruitment policy that means Leeds sign a player they want in 1 day and we don't. I'm not saying that our policy is wrong, but it does leave us open to being undercut more often.

We've had few props lead us up the garden Plath like carvell, Adrian shelford and now griffin.

It shows that Royce feels we are light in the prop department in the fact we tried to sign him.


I think he would have been a good signing.

He would have been good, but he isnt world class, so not worth world class wages. Leeds had oodles of cash after buderus left so probably did offer more than anyone else, regardless of anything he says!

I dont think its a huge loss personally.

Would have given us more depth at prop, however his failure to sign gives the youngsters more opportunity to come through.

Griffin would never be more than a good solid prop, whereas the youngsters still have the potential to be top class props

It's a big loss. Perry will be injured, TP is injured and that will increase in regularity as he is now getting on a bit. And we've only got one more real prop. Another would have gone down a treat, just a regular run of the mill prop would add great solidity and value to our squad and Griffin is better than that.

Worst spelling of Widnes ever seen you muppet.

I have no real opinion on how good he is, the point is that he did what was best for him. My point is why could we not secure him before Leeds even made themselves interested.

Surely if we want a prop as Pete says then we could have got one average prop in the off season. Unless Royce thinks that our young props are better than an average SL prop. But if that is the case will he use them???

I know for a fact we was actively looking for a prop. We tried hill from Leigh but he went to wolves, we tried griffin but he went to leeds.

So it's clear we think we are prop short but if the is nothing out there worth getting then Im glad we've just not brought just any old prop in just to make up the numbers.

IMO we should have brought a prop in instead of a backrow to play prop like laffranchci, it might work out great but it is a risk to be honest.

Jason king was off contract as well as a few other good Aussie props but I'd have gone for Bryce Gibbs.

If Royce knew that we weren't getting Griffin, do you think he would have gone for Gibbs instead of Laffranchi? If he was basing his squad on a player who had already committed to Saints, he wouldn't have wanted another prop, laffranchi offered an alternative style of play. Griffin pulling out appears to have scuppered that idea!

Average player anyway, but having that extra prop would have been [inice[/i

If we do need extra cover, we will have to just blood the youngsters.

How very rude of him!

He is like people have said, a decent prop often average. No great loss but could have added a bit of extra grunt when the going gets tough against the big teams, still we don't look too bad of a team without him eh!

My thoughts on him are very 'meh'.

Leeds could beat us using the Batley Bullddogs first team if its in a Grand Final anyway.