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To be honest I didn't see that type of score coming as Leeds looked pretty good in the first half.

Took it to us for the first 20 mins. Both sides blew some great chances first half which could have changed the game entirely.

Totally different game 2nd half, we dominated them in every department.

Well played from a Hull KR fan, glad you hammered Leeds the whinging s.

Anyone else notice how McGuire's defence out on the wing was shocking?

Kevin Sinfield should have got man of the match for St Helens.

He did give us two great tries.

It was good to see Gaskell hunting for the interception.

After 20-25 mins you could not have predicted that score, Leeds had good kick chase and very mean defence and were making yards and finding the offload.

I thought we were quite lucky to go in at half time leading but the second half display was awesome. The forwards were excellent as a unit and the half backs just keep improving.

I disagree that we were quite lucky. I think we put in a fearsome defensive display in the first half. Pity we let in two soft tries in the second - we really must stamp that out if we want to win any silverware this season (injuries pending, obviously!). Our attack in the second was a vast improvement on the first but we did get lucky with a couple of tries - interceptions are never well designed, just well spotted! Some of our tries, though, were fantastic to watch, and I'm loving our style of play under Simmons. I just wish he'd had a reasonably full team to coach this season.

I don't think anyone would have complained if we had gone in level or slightly behind at half time. We did defend our line very well but Leeds dominated territory and definitely had the chances. I was very surprised that Sinfield kicked the first penalty when they seemed to have us on the rack and then turned 2 down.

Kicking those penalties imo is a sign of a team lacking in confidence,it was just so soon to be kicking for goal,it showed they are not confident of scoring tries like they used to be.

To be fair to Sinfield, he was a bit on his own in attack. There was diddly squat from Burrow's Maguire Webb et al.


In the end Burrows and Maguire are not creative half backs, they are runners, this has worked fine for them, in previous years as Sinfield has controlled the game and their runners took the line on. But either they are still suffering from their injuries or their pace has just gone. But they did not take the line on and don't seam to get through the gaps like they used to.
This left Sinfield having to do everything for Leeds and lead to him doing stupid things in desparation to change the game.

They may just need time, but if Webbs, Burrows and Maguires legs have gone, they do not have other attributes needed to diversify their game IMHO.

To be fair it's only a 2nd week back or 1st for Webb, so it may just need time.

Agreed,i think it gave saints confidence knowing that Leeds doubted their own attacking capability

Leeds lost impetus with the change of Buderus for McShane, and in reality never recovered. I think Sinfield is a superb player but he had one of those games last night where nothing went right for him.

Rob Burrow seems to be a shadow of his former self, for whatever reason. It's a shame because he is a great lad and has been a superb player.

I don't think I've ever seen a team throw so many flat/forward passes than Leeds do this year.

Webb looks like he's playing NFL this year.

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There were a few thrown from both sides last night. It's something that needs looking at as it's happening in almost every game and from every team.

I'm not saying we didn't throw some forward but this year Leeds are playing so flat almost every pass looks forward.

The was one set of 6 on Friday by Leeds that nearly every pass could have been given as forward pass.

Webb doesn't seem able to pass backwards when at acting half back.

Webb really needs to concentrate on his own game rather than constantly whining about every decision/tackle to the ref

Also pushing the player as they play the ball. They got pulled for it on one occasion but were doing it all the way through the game.

Slightly off topic but it was something we were discussing at the scholarship/academy games on Saturday.

What's with this "flick" pass that al players seem to be attempting these days, Cudjoes pass to Lawrence for his try against Saints being a prime example.

Can players no longer pass the ball to either side with two hands?

Brilliant bit of skilfull play in my book. That's the sort of stuff that excites fans and gets more through the gates.

He took a knock early on, limped for a bit and then went hiding after.

I won't deny that it's skilful, but unless he struggles to pass off his left hand then why even try it in that situation?

Not being able to pass of both hands isn't new in the British game - I can rememebr Andy Gregory, Tony Smith and Sean Long all switching hands to pass off their 'stronger' hand in international matches in the past, a shocking state of affairs for some of our leading halfbacks of the last 20 years.

I have a bit of a theory re this, and that if you flick pass, you do so with the back of your hand in front of the ball. That makes it a lot more natural to pass the ball backwards when running with the ball.
Holding a ball to pass the traditional way, involves moving both hands to the front of the body which alters your of gravity, this unbalances the ball carrying runner, and also has a far greater chance of being passed forward.