I know it's difficult, but can we try to avoid the knee-jerk reactions?

Some points:

- Wigan were a better team than us on the night, they were absolutely outstanding and we were well below par
- We had a bad day at the office, but to an extent, our inability to make yards, and break/make tackles, was due to the level of enthusiasm and commitment from Wigan. Their spirit was outstanding - brilliant line-speed and aggression all night.
- We are still a good team.
- Mick Potter is still an excellent coach.
- We are still top of the league.
- We are still in the hunt for honours.

Cliché time, Super League is a marathon, not a sprint. Tonight was extremely deflating but these things happen. Never mind "Potter out," "we r 5hit lolz!" Wigan just had more desire and wanted it more on the night. Good luck to them. I'm still more than confident we'll be in the final mix-up when it comes to silverware, and I'm confident we'll give a better account of ourselves when we get them back to KR at the end of July.

Stick the Leeds CC game on DVD, grab a beer, and try to forget tonight and remember what our team is capable of.

P.S. I have massive sympathy for the Saints fans who are up there, by the way. Our attitude in losing was very disappointing, as I hinted at Wigan wanted it more, that is inexcusable for any derby game, but my point is that one game does not mean that we are a spent force.

Think most people would agree, but seeing Sean Long's demonstration of how not to pass a rugby ball for the second week running was disturbing. The basic lack of rugby skills was appalling and can be attributed to fatigue, bad attitude and the determination of the sides we have faced. None of these factors is acceptable.

It's 1 thing getting beat by the better team if your own team puts in the hard work but for Wigan to want it that much more in a local derby is pretty poor to be honest.

So it's not acceptable for a teams that play you to be determined? That'd be a bit boring wouldn't it?

if you want perspective look at the table

It was disappointing, I was gutted watching the game mainly because of the lack of passion I was seeing from our players but everything you said in the first post is spot on, when I was sat there watching it was horrible and you do get carried away with the negativity about it all but we can't win em all but we still need to remember that we are in a great position anyway and that there is still a long way to go this season and anything could happen.

Saints are top of the league, must do better!

Wigan won, Big deal! Saints lost, Big deal.

These sort of results (with saints winning) often popped up when Wigan were dominating so why all the furore?

Recent history has shown that Saints very rarely lose 1 game then win again. It is more usual for Saints to lose 2 or 3 before coming back to have a big winning streak. Once we lost to Bradford i knew we wouldn't beat Wigan for this very reason. Lets just hope its a 2 match losing streak

this time last season, after 12 league games..

we had lost 5 games (compared to 3 this season)
we had scored 342 points (compared to 357 this season)
we had conceded 216 points (same as last season)

robbed off'f redvee forums.

Lets face it no one expected us to be in this position at this point. We are doing far better than was expected.

Good thread. It shows how fickle RL fans are. It's just annoying that the flat performances had to come against the Dulls and the Goons instead of at Catalans or Hull KR like they usually are. Next week is far more important.

Well, we'd already lost to Hull KR with a flat performance earlier on in the season. There were about five such performances, up to and including the first ten minutes of the home game against Leeds when we just clicked and took off. However, those flat performances, though a little concerning given the unknown of a new coach, were nothing compared to the last two performances, which have been in a league of their own for rubbishness and lack of enthusiasm.

Just Got Back.

Certainly not as painful as the last visit to Murrayfield.

We know the club prioritises the CUP because of the financial reward it brings.

Both grahams and cunninghams comments in the days leading up to the game may have pointed at the performance that was to come.

BUT for the fans we always want to beat Wigan.

For me only roby could really say he put a good game in. The rest lacked effort.

Wigan stuck to their gameplan, 5 drives and kick to the wings and didnt have to play that well to beat us, saints didnt seem to have a gameplan.

Our lack of field position in the first half was uncharacteristic and we struggled to get over halfway to give our kicks any chance of pinning them back.

The litmus test is the catalan game. If we are that bad again then we have problems, but I fully expect us to put on a show and ALL will be forgiven by most.

Its dissapointing that after our last experience at Murrayfield, The bradford performance and the fact thats it a wigan game, we couldnt have given this game a higher priority as well.

To be honest I've forgotten the game already of not the result it was that bad. It was almost as bad as the last time up there against the pies but at least this time they won nothing but 2 points that they needed alot more than we do. Wigan were just the better team on the day and it happens sometimes. (I've gotta say sitting in the east stand was possibly the worst possible place for a Saints fan)

On the plus side the banter before the match was pretty funny in the Murrayfield arms and the beer was pretty good afterwards so not all a dead loss.

This is just what the RFL were wanting, an even competition. Both Leeds and St helens seem to think if you don't win every game you can't a sucessful side. The competition is getting closer so to say things like our players aren't trying etc is absolute nonsense. Get over it!