Waste of a shirt.

Look forward to Frodsham taking his spot later this year.

Frodsham isn't up to it. Burgess showed how much of youth player he still is, his time may come, but not yet.

Maurie just needs one good run to spark him off again, he was quiet last season then had a blistering spell of 10 or so games. To quote Sir Ian of Millward, "Just watch him when the track dries".

Hope your right, he was a liability Friday night.

Poor game from Maurie. Played well in the Widnes friendly though, plenty of barging runns and squatting away of players. Be nice get this guy back firing on all cylinders. The good thing was he didnt get wound up by waire on Friday night, even though Ian Smith did seem to frustrate him him a little.

Nah, I don't think it was. He just seemed sparkier and more put together generally, but then so did all the team. They kept hold of the ball, passed well, Pryce actually played, that kind of thing. It was a good little game that was, I really enjoyed it even though it snowed and was bloody freezing. But Faz seemed to be a bit unsure of himself again on Friday. He's not been the same since he was beaten to the line by that brilliant tackle at Quins last season. He seems to have some kind of confidence issue going on. I hope he finds his old form. I miss seeing his barges and great offloads and stuff.

One game in and he's being written off

Welcome to the mentality of 80% of Saints fans.

You want to come onto the Wigan site.

They've managed to get rid of about seven players, the coach, the kitman, the mascot, the lady who makes the tea, the chairman, the groundsman, the medical staff, the barman and the coach driver.

I think that about covers it.

I bl**dy despair at some so called fans.

I dread to think what would happen to alot of our fans if we ever found ourselves in the position that Wigan have been in over the last few years, and it's bound to happen at some point. There'll be people hanging themselves with scarves from the scaff!

A fair point well put!

You've hit the nail on the head there Rogues they are exactly what you describe fans and not supporters. Supporters get behind causes such as Mike Gregory Steve Prescott etc and that's what the games all about after all the rantings of forward pass gerrem onside have passed. Don't despair every club has it's fans who are the first to criticise. Confidence with players comes from supporters getting behind them and encouraging them.

Apart from around 8 games in the middle of last year he's been sh*te for 2 years.

I think thats harsh.

His form dropped off after he suffered an injury, but even then he wasnt sh*te.

To some extent we have got used to expecting an explosive impact from him, so when his game drops off to the extent that the bang becomes a mere pop, we notice it more than perhaps another player.

What do you expect from a yard dog like that, anyway?

I'm sure he was comfy in Carvell's back pocket.

Maurie needs one good game and he will became the animal he once was. As for Frodsham, he isn't ready yet. Sam Burgess proved that.

He trys to smash people and run through people rather than running at gaps. Hes at his best when running at gaps and is much harder to stop.

Hey leave the Mascot alone, he is my mate!!

The mascot is a bit naff though.

I wouldn't write him off but he needs to improve discipline and solidity. Our squad's thinness means he needs to be more than just an impact layer

Why ? There have been plenty of established players whacked by a big hit over the years. I dont see how it ' proves' anything.

Maybe that is the problem, he is playing as a "normal" prop, getting through graft for longish spells, as opposed to coming on as an impact player for a few minutes, and causing some real damage?

I agree. He was bigger, stronger and played less minutes in 2006. That's when Maurie was at his best. We've got Graham, Cayless and Hargreaves who all offer workrate. We need Maurie to play for 25-30 minutes maximum and offer big impact.

Maurie is purely an impact player and we need him to be destructive like in 2007 for him to be at his best.

Fa'asavalau didn't have that bad a game on Friday made one high tackle and missed a couple, but that's going off memory. We may have to get used to him not playing as much as an impact prop as he has done previously, the fact that he had 3 or 4 tacklers on him whenever he made a run didn't help, he also played when Warrington were at their best defensively. Hargreaves was a bit of a worry, IIRC he only played the firs 15-20 minutes, was he injured? Potter didn't mention him as such in the post match interview

And those jumping on the 'Burgess showed Frodsham not to be ready' bandwagon, what about the other 6 games he played in SL last year where he made an average of 8 metres per carry?

Do you actually watch the games or just remember the highlights at the end of the tv coverage?