I guess it's a matter of priority, over time the league has meant less, this year we saw Huddersfield win the league only to be cast aside in the playoffs by both Wigan and Warrington, all in all everyone knows Huddersfield are far from the top team.
So what if Wane last year thought the league was the be all and end all, many fans know thesedays it; means nothing, it's all about the CC and GF. Wigan prepared their season for that and won both.

What do you think? Are Wigan the best team this year? Or where Wigan the best team last year?
Personally I think last years team was better with the GF SF loss to Leeds an anomoly.

I'd like to think that whoever finishs top is the best team in super league , as all your fans did last year. Unfortunately that's not the case these days.

I don't for one min think the likes of Wane picked and chose his games this year in order to win super league. IMO they tried to finish top and didn't as hudds was consistently better. Same goes for Leeds over the last few years, I don't for one min think McDermott deliberately threw games and wanted to come as low as 5th in the league.

correct, he would have wanted to win as many as possible and finish top but that wasn't the Holy Grail he chased like last year. What he did do this year though was not burn out the first choice 17, they were rested more often and kept fresh for the CC and the playoffs. Typical example was the game after CC final, the next match saw 13 changes to the team that won it.

Did he not do that last year ?

Still not sure what your point is? Last year, Wane chased the LLS, won it, but didn't have enough left in the tank to win the GF.
This year, he has won both the important finals. Whether that was pure luck, or expert planning, we will never know.
What is fact though, is that Leeds won it, and Wigan have won it. Neither team finished top after the preliminary rounds. That is how the league has been constructed, and however bitter you may be, what's really important is who gets to employ an engraver and buy some brasso.

Hahaha not bitter at all. I couldn't give a **** who wins it. I only care if saints won it so makes no odds if you or Warrington win as I don't like either of them.

My point is, you lot last year spouted how Wigan was the best team because you finished top and how Leeds are disgrace picking and choosing games to win (I don't think they did) and now you lot are totally contradicting yourselves as you have won it from fourth.

Giving up a 5 point lead in the league probably does show that Wane decided to be clever about his team decision this time as Leeds did last season. But anybody who wants to believe huddersfield are a better team than wigan or warrington are welcome to their opinion. how many times have we finished the top since 2010?

Or maybe the fact that Wigan,s Leader and main strike player was missing during that period of 5 point surrender. I beliieve with O'Loughlin and Tomkins missing then Wigan would be no better than Huddersfield and Warrington.
Mr Wane doesn,t like to lose any game so I very much doubt he had a tactical plan to win the play offs from a lower position,

Exactly!

Isn't it some crazy stat that they only won one game in 2 years without Sam ?

yes they was injured but last season you can guarantee they would of played through it. by the way didn't we beat huddersfield and leeds with out O'loughlin. Be all and end all wigan won the double and 100 percent didn't go all out for the league leaders and anybody who thinks they did are kidding them selves.

The fact is wigan fans have double standards.

Last year leeds title didn't count and was hollow because they won it from 5th.

However this year, wigan won it from 4th and it does count, it's evidence of the greatest sporting institution on the planet, an unbelievable achievment, true champions blah blah blah.

Fact is by discrediting leeds title win last year, they have also discredited their own this year. Can't have it both ways. If you went on their forum, went back a year and dredged up some of the threads and quotes, guess what would happen? You would probably be banned as a troll, because they would look like idiots.

It's similiar to how fans used to treat the WCC. Someone else wins it and the aussies don't give a crap. It's a pre season friendly. Your teams wins it and it's further evidence of the superior place in the world game.

Traces of arrogance here, most of my mates are Wigan Fans and don,t have the same viewpoint as you, I.m assuming you,ve heard about the change in effort to try and win the league from the man himself Mr Wane, or maybe its a mental adjustment in failing to do the treble..........

no its very easy and clear to see wigan's attitude in the plays off was far different from the one closing out the season, anybody trying to say otherwise is kidding them selves.

Are you sure you are not confusing it with a drop off in form!!

still stand by that, when all teams are playing at a high intensity the league is harder to win than the grand final. Just Wigan and Warrington rotated all season and not going all out for the league leaders unlike previous seasons, ironically i think leeds tried a lot harder in the league this season than in the previous 2.

lucky we come to form just at the right time then?

haha.

Wane rested players when it didn't matter and the players attitudes wasn't that resembling of the attitude in the play offs.

To win the League Leaders shield you didn,t.

Sorry.....................my apologises that doesn,t count this season.

nice deflection i guess

stand by what? That leeds title win last year was hollow, but wigans this year isn't, even though the circumstances are similiar?

The same reasons which you used to rubbish leeds title last year could be used to rubbish wigan's title this year.

The argument is all bollox. It's playground logic. A title, is a title, is a title. You might as well argue wigan's title in 1998 was hollow because bradford were sh*t, saints were sh*t, and leeds, the only decent challenger hadn't won a title in nearly 30 years so were inexperienced, so wigan won by default.......hollow title!!

Wigan fans are bad losers, but even worse winners.

winning in the playoffs is much harder when you don't rotate your players. Wigan and warrington took the easy option this year.

In 2011 and 2012 leeds didn't rotate and played more games than anyone with CC finals and the WCC. The title wins in 2011 and 2012 were therfore superior because they didn't bottle it and rotate players.

Our titles better!

Much better, our titles were more like a triple triple in 2006.

Challenge Cup
League Leaders Shield
Superleague Champions

Lance Todd Trophy Winner
Harry Sunderland Trophy Winner
Man of Steel Winner

BBC Sports Team of the Year
BBC Sports Coach of the Year
World Club Champions (Afterwards)

Obviously this year the standard of rugby league is so much better and Wigan,s double is far superior to the above.

Does anybody seriously believe Huddersfield would have finished top in a first past the post system? Course they wouldn't.

Last season, Wane treated it as such. He had the team go flat out in every game and it backfired when it mattered. I think a few clubs have (finally) woken up and learnt what Leeds have known for a few years - finishing top means jack if you don't lift the big one.

No wonder all my pie eating mates don't buy season tickets as it's been made pretty clear on this thread that your season only starts for real in September. I don't blame you lot for not buying season tickets then.

Obviously with wigans way of thinking it's better to just pay on challenge cup days and play off times, it will be cheaper and more enjoyable.

You're stretching it abit there with MoM awards and what not. Comes across as desperate. A very unattractive quality, rather like the fare on offer at Langtree Park these days.