Quote ="Mugwump"We're getting fleeced by the players!'" www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> Shall we boo them lots next week then?

Quote ="Mugwump"We're getting fleeced by the players!'" www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> Shall we boo them lots next week then?

i think there is a bit of kidology by TC.. i just can't see how we're anywhere near the cap, when you compare our squad, to say wire..



as for gardner, i can't share the common census on the site, i thought he was very poor again, he made a few good tackles, but again struggled to make yards, he was also at fault for on of the celtic tries (by flying in off his wing), i didn't get a clear enough view, but he was out-jumped for bomb to his wing, and he possible could have done better with the pass that went to ground, he took an age to turn, and when he did he fell over..



personally he is a decent enough defender (when he doesn't get sucked in) and nothing more.. to me he offers nothing in attack

How is chris dean doing?I wonder if he will come back to widnes on this stupid dual registration.We may aswell tear up contract.

How is chris dean doing?I wonder if he will come back to widnes on this stupid dual registration.We may aswell tear up contract.

Quote ="OFFTHECUFF"How is chris dean doing?I wonder if he will come back to widnes on this stupid dual registration.We may aswell tear up contract.'" /> He's doing fine, he scored again against Crusaders. He'll probably be back to Widnes once Gidley and Soliola are back playing.

Quote ="OFFTHECUFF"How is chris dean doing?I wonder if he will come back to widnes on this stupid dual registration.We may aswell tear up contract.'" /> He's doing fine, he scored again against Crusaders. He'll probably be back to Widnes once Gidley and Soliola are back playing.

Quote ="Saddened!"icon_lol.gif Shall we boo them lots next week then?'" You should give them the shirt off your back. They've got everything else.

Quote ="Saddened!"icon_lol.gif Shall we boo them lots next week then?'" You should give them the shirt off your back. They've got everything else.

Quote ="Saddened!"1 - McManus has made many, many errors with signings, promotions, coach selections etc. Meli's extension is just one of many. /> 2 - He's fine at fielding kicks. He makes very few mistakes. His errors in the Grand Finals were decisive however 3 - True 4 - Salford in the league is the closest we'll get to Old Trafford in the next couple of years 5 - Meli played for years in the NRL, frequently top scoring for his side and once scored 5 in a semi final 6 - Don't get what you are saying here 7 - The playing staff is the worst it's been for 10 years or more. Squad development is not one of their strengths 8 - He is no worse than Flannery, Gardner, Wellens, Fozzard, Hargreaves, Ashurst, Dixon etc in not being up to it'" You missed wilkin out of your number 8

Quote ="Saddened!"1 - McManus has made many, many errors with signings, promotions, coach selections etc. Meli's extension is just one of many. /> 2 - He's fine at fielding kicks. He makes very few mistakes. His errors in the Grand Finals were decisive however 3 - True 4 - Salford in the league is the closest we'll get to Old Trafford in the next couple of years 5 - Meli played for years in the NRL, frequently top scoring for his side and once scored 5 in a semi final 6 - Don't get what you are saying here 7 - The playing staff is the worst it's been for 10 years or more. Squad development is not one of their strengths 8 - He is no worse than Flannery, Gardner, Wellens, Fozzard, Hargreaves, Ashurst, Dixon etc in not being up to it'" You missed wilkin out of your number 8

Quote ="OFFTHECUFF"How is chris dean doing?I wonder if he will come back to widnes on this stupid dual registration.We may aswell tear up contract.'" /> Chris Dean has been doing just fine. He's been getting in some valuable experience which he can take back to Widnes with him in a couple of weeks (max), which is the timescale in which our centres are due back. It may even be this weekend if Gidley has fully recovered.

Quote ="OFFTHECUFF"How is chris dean doing?I wonder if he will come back to widnes on this stupid dual registration.We may aswell tear up contract.'" /> Chris Dean has been doing just fine. He's been getting in some valuable experience which he can take back to Widnes with him in a couple of weeks (max), which is the timescale in which our centres are due back. It may even be this weekend if Gidley has fully recovered.

Quote ="Saddened!"There is no chance we're spending up to the cap, no chance at all. Our only 'star' players are Gidley, Pryce, KC, Graham and Eastmond and two of those are still on their first 'big' contracts, their next will be far bigger if they stay. /> We have probably the smallest squad in Super League and probably the most home grown players too. Compare with Leeds who have a far stronger 1-17, with top quality in every position plus the likes of Bailey and Ablett as backup before they get to their youth stocks. Warrington too have strong players in every position and far more depth than we have. /> If we are up to the cap then we are mismanging it.'" /> I'm not sure what's going on with our SC. If we are spending up to the cap then it's pretty clear that in the past we have paid players thru image rights or off shore payments. /> Wello, gidley, pryce, eastmond, jammer, KC, wilkin, roby, soliolia, tony p, maurie and flannery IMO will be on high wages. I honstly think we are spending up to our cap, in recent years we've paid players in other ways. /> If you look round other super league clubs i don't think you will find many more with players as high profile or as good as the players listed above. /> Our problem IMO, Is the high earners in our team are getting to the end (wello,gidley,KC) or ain't warrented the deal they signed( wilkin,flannery, maurie and maybe tony p). In the past our big earners like newlove, tommy, longy, joynt, scully, lyon and so on have always performed to the high level their wage has demanded.

Quote ="Saddened!"There is no chance we're spending up to the cap, no chance at all. Our only 'star' players are Gidley, Pryce, KC, Graham and Eastmond and two of those are still on their first 'big' contracts, their next will be far bigger if they stay. /> We have probably the smallest squad in Super League and probably the most home grown players too. Compare with Leeds who have a far stronger 1-17, with top quality in every position plus the likes of Bailey and Ablett as backup before they get to their youth stocks. Warrington too have strong players in every position and far more depth than we have. /> If we are up to the cap then we are mismanging it.'" /> I'm not sure what's going on with our SC. If we are spending up to the cap then it's pretty clear that in the past we have paid players thru image rights or off shore payments. /> Wello, gidley, pryce, eastmond, jammer, KC, wilkin, roby, soliolia, tony p, maurie and flannery IMO will be on high wages. I honstly think we are spending up to our cap, in recent years we've paid players in other ways. /> If you look round other super league clubs i don't think you will find many more with players as high profile or as good as the players listed above. /> Our problem IMO, Is the high earners in our team are getting to the end (wello,gidley,KC) or ain't warrented the deal they signed( wilkin,flannery, maurie and maybe tony p). In the past our big earners like newlove, tommy, longy, joynt, scully, lyon and so on have always performed to the high level their wage has demanded.

it depends on what he said.. was it we're spending up to the limit (as in the Super league limit [1.6m?) or is it up to our limit, as in half of our income?

Quote ="SaintsFan"Chris Dean has been doing just fine. He's been getting in some valuable experience which he can take back to Widnes with him in a couple of weeks (max), which is the timescale in which our centres are due back. It may even be this weekend if Gidley has fully recovered.'" /> Glad he is doing well mate.Maybe some experience playing superleague and top level championship will help him for his development.Maybe when comes to widnes he will help our team win games.Be nice if we could be in superleague again playing saints,wire and wigan again. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

Quote ="SaintsFan"Chris Dean has been doing just fine. He's been getting in some valuable experience which he can take back to Widnes with him in a couple of weeks (max), which is the timescale in which our centres are due back. It may even be this weekend if Gidley has fully recovered.'" /> Glad he is doing well mate.Maybe some experience playing superleague and top level championship will help him for his development.Maybe when comes to widnes he will help our team win games.Be nice if we could be in superleague again playing saints,wire and wigan again. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

I guarrantee Widnes will have a superleague team at their ground next season.

Quote ="Donkey OTay"I guarrantee Widnes will have a superleague team at their ground next season.'" /> I will 2nd that www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

Quote ="Donkey OTay"I guarrantee Widnes will have a superleague team at their ground next season.'" /> I will 2nd that www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

Quote ="SaintsFan"Chris Dean has been doing just fine. He's been getting in some valuable experience which he can take back to Widnes with him in a couple of weeks (max), which is the timescale in which our centres are due back. It may even be this weekend if Gidley has fully recovered.'" /> Not convinced about Dean. Apart from his try, every move he was involved in came to a stop as soon as he touched the ball. Did Gardner get one pass off him all night?

Quote ="SaintsFan"Chris Dean has been doing just fine. He's been getting in some valuable experience which he can take back to Widnes with him in a couple of weeks (max), which is the timescale in which our centres are due back. It may even be this weekend if Gidley has fully recovered.'" /> Not convinced about Dean. Apart from his try, every move he was involved in came to a stop as soon as he touched the ball. Did Gardner get one pass off him all night?

Quote ="Donkey OTay"I guarrantee Widnes will have a superleague team at their ground next season.'" /> Well i may go a few games and watch saints in my widnes top. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" /> Be nice to see a few come and watch widnes this year from saints, as every fan will help in our cause for a franchise.Alot of widnes fans giving up on the sport, due to us not been allowed in superleague.If we do not get one next time, i can see us plummeting to 1000 gates.The rfl have messed up the heartland teams.Think i will give up if dont get in next time. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_sad.gif" alt="icon_sad.gif" title="Sad" />

Quote ="Donkey OTay"I guarrantee Widnes will have a superleague team at their ground next season.'" /> Well i may go a few games and watch saints in my widnes top. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" /> Be nice to see a few come and watch widnes this year from saints, as every fan will help in our cause for a franchise.Alot of widnes fans giving up on the sport, due to us not been allowed in superleague.If we do not get one next time, i can see us plummeting to 1000 gates.The rfl have messed up the heartland teams.Think i will give up if dont get in next time. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_sad.gif" alt="icon_sad.gif" title="Sad" />

Quote ="OFFTHECUFF"Well i may go a few games and watch saints in my widnes top. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" /> Be nice to see a few come and watch widnes this year from saints, as every fan will help in our cause for a franchise.Alot of widnes fans giving up on the sport, due to us not been allowed in superleague.If we do not get one next time, i can see us plummeting to 1000 gates.The rfl have messed up the heartland teams.Think i will give up if dont get in next time. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_sad.gif" alt="icon_sad.gif" title="Sad" />'" Not sure how well we'd be received. /> I went to see Widnes get promoted in 2001, wearing my Saints top but clearly supporting you lot (against my better judgement after being a fan on the receiving end of many a battering in the 80's, but deep down wanting a strong Widnes in Super League) and was roundly abused purely for being a Saints speccy by the Widnes species before, during and after the game. /> I'm not in a rush to go back there, tbh.

Quote ="OFFTHECUFF"Well i may go a few games and watch saints in my widnes top. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" /> Be nice to see a few come and watch widnes this year from saints, as every fan will help in our cause for a franchise.Alot of widnes fans giving up on the sport, due to us not been allowed in superleague.If we do not get one next time, i can see us plummeting to 1000 gates.The rfl have messed up the heartland teams.Think i will give up if dont get in next time. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_sad.gif" alt="icon_sad.gif" title="Sad" />'" Not sure how well we'd be received. /> I went to see Widnes get promoted in 2001, wearing my Saints top but clearly supporting you lot (against my better judgement after being a fan on the receiving end of many a battering in the 80's, but deep down wanting a strong Widnes in Super League) and was roundly abused purely for being a Saints speccy by the Widnes species before, during and after the game. /> I'm not in a rush to go back there, tbh.

Quote ="Cragganmore Kid"Not sure how well we'd be received. /> I went to see Widnes get promoted in 2001, wearing my Saints top but clearly supporting you lot (against my better judgement after being a fan on the receiving end of many a battering in the 80's, but deep down wanting a strong Widnes in Super League) and was roundly abused purely for being a Saints speccy by the Widnes species before, during and after the game. /> I'm not in a rush to go back there, tbh.'" /> i agree, there's a lot of bitterness and resentment from a lot of widnes fans towards st helens, i felt some of it going into the ground for a friendly in january.. it's strange really because i don't know a saints fan who doesn't want to see them in super league

Quote ="Cragganmore Kid"Not sure how well we'd be received. /> I went to see Widnes get promoted in 2001, wearing my Saints top but clearly supporting you lot (against my better judgement after being a fan on the receiving end of many a battering in the 80's, but deep down wanting a strong Widnes in Super League) and was roundly abused purely for being a Saints speccy by the Widnes species before, during and after the game. /> I'm not in a rush to go back there, tbh.'" /> i agree, there's a lot of bitterness and resentment from a lot of widnes fans towards st helens, i felt some of it going into the ground for a friendly in january.. it's strange really because i don't know a saints fan who doesn't want to see them in super league

Quote ="paulshorpe"i agree, there's a lot of bitterness and resentment from a lot of widnes fans towards st helens, i felt some of it going into the ground for a friendly in january.. it's strange really because i don't know a saints fan who doesn't want to see them in super league'" Not true at all and you will see when you play at the stobarts stadium.You always get a idiot somewhere in all supporters ,and depends who you talked too mate. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" /> If bump into me i will be fine.Their a few of my mates and you welcome anytime to sit with us.If anyone gives you crap i will back you up. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

Quote ="paulshorpe"i agree, there's a lot of bitterness and resentment from a lot of widnes fans towards st helens, i felt some of it going into the ground for a friendly in january.. it's strange really because i don't know a saints fan who doesn't want to see them in super league'" Not true at all and you will see when you play at the stobarts stadium.You always get a idiot somewhere in all supporters ,and depends who you talked too mate. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" /> If bump into me i will be fine.Their a few of my mates and you welcome anytime to sit with us.If anyone gives you crap i will back you up. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

Quote ="Cragganmore Kid"Not sure how well we'd be received. /> I went to see Widnes get promoted in 2001, wearing my Saints top but clearly supporting you lot (against my better judgement after being a fan on the receiving end of many a battering in the 80's, but deep down wanting a strong Widnes in Super League) and was roundly abused purely for being a Saints speccy by the Widnes species before, during and after the game. /> I'm not in a rush to go back there, tbh.'" /> 2010 now mate not 2001. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" /> Hey all clubs have idiots and ignore them.If sit near me i would back you up and give you respect.Any decent widnes fan would mate.Spelly from swinton comes when swinton are not playing. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

Quote ="Cragganmore Kid"Not sure how well we'd be received. /> I went to see Widnes get promoted in 2001, wearing my Saints top but clearly supporting you lot (against my better judgement after being a fan on the receiving end of many a battering in the 80's, but deep down wanting a strong Widnes in Super League) and was roundly abused purely for being a Saints speccy by the Widnes species before, during and after the game. /> I'm not in a rush to go back there, tbh.'" /> 2010 now mate not 2001. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" /> Hey all clubs have idiots and ignore them.If sit near me i would back you up and give you respect.Any decent widnes fan would mate.Spelly from swinton comes when swinton are not playing. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

Just seen the super league show highlights. /> One word to describe Ade Gardner = Pathetic!!! Get him out of our team ffs. He is a liability and a absolute sloth. The try Lomax scored against Catalns (great footwork. Ade would of got nowhere near the try line.

Just seen the super league show highlights. /> One word to describe Ade Gardner = Pathetic!!! Get him out of our team ffs. He is a liability and a absolute sloth. The try Lomax scored against Catalns (great footwork. Ade would of got nowhere near the try line.

Ive been to a couple of Widnes games in my Saints shirt and received nothing but good vibes from Widnes fans pleased we have come to support them , always a good time (except for the horrible Meat n tater pies at the friendly) www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_surprised.gif" alt="icon_surprised.gif" title="Surprised" />

Ive been to a couple of Widnes games in my Saints shirt and received nothing but good vibes from Widnes fans pleased we have come to support them , always a good time (except for the horrible Meat n tater pies at the friendly) www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_surprised.gif" alt="icon_surprised.gif" title="Surprised" />

If people slate Meli, then they should definitely be on Gardner's back, he again, was absolute dross on Friday night.

Quote ="Gruntfuttock"Ive been to a couple of Widnes games in my Saints shirt and received nothing but good vibes from Widnes fans pleased we have come to support them , always a good time (except for the horrible Meat n tater pies at the friendly) www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_surprised.gif" alt="icon_surprised.gif" title="Surprised" />'" Thankyou mate and you welcome anytime.If you coming a game give me a personnel message and you welcome to have a pint and join me and my mates.I may go a few saints games aswell if i am about.Anyway goodluck for the season. Every club has its idiot fans and it is always a minority. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

Quote ="Gruntfuttock"Ive been to a couple of Widnes games in my Saints shirt and received nothing but good vibes from Widnes fans pleased we have come to support them , always a good time (except for the horrible Meat n tater pies at the friendly) www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_surprised.gif" alt="icon_surprised.gif" title="Surprised" />'" Thankyou mate and you welcome anytime.If you coming a game give me a personnel message and you welcome to have a pint and join me and my mates.I may go a few saints games aswell if i am about.Anyway goodluck for the season. Every club has its idiot fans and it is always a minority. www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

When you think of how much Gardner improved a couple of seasons ago over his prior vulnerabilities it makes it all the more annoying



He kind of reminds me of Leonard Lowe (the character portrayed by Robert De Niro in AWAKENINGS) who - following experimental drug therapy - briefly emerges from a twenty year coma, only to slide depressingly backwards after a brief period of lucidity.

Quote ="Mugwump"When you think of how much Gardner improved a couple of seasons ago over his prior vulnerabilities it makes it all the more annoying He kind of reminds me of Leonard Lowe (the character portrayed by Robert De Niro in AWAKENINGS) who - following experimental drug therapy - briefly emerges from a twenty year coma, only to slide depressingly backwards after a brief period of lucidity.'" /> he gives at least 2 trys away each game i wouldnt play him agaist wire the way king playing

Quote ="Mugwump"When you think of how much Gardner improved a couple of seasons ago over his prior vulnerabilities it makes it all the more annoying He kind of reminds me of Leonard Lowe (the character portrayed by Robert De Niro in AWAKENINGS) who - following experimental drug therapy - briefly emerges from a twenty year coma, only to slide depressingly backwards after a brief period of lucidity.'" /> he gives at least 2 trys away each game i wouldnt play him agaist wire the way king playing

Quote ="Saint Rabban"Not convinced about Dean. Apart from his try, every move he was involved in came to a stop as soon as he touched the ball. Did Gardner get one pass off him all night?'" Gidley's been teaching him well then www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

Quote ="Saint Rabban"Not convinced about Dean. Apart from his try, every move he was involved in came to a stop as soon as he touched the ball. Did Gardner get one pass off him all night?'" Gidley's been teaching him well then www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />