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| Quote ="Shakespeare"I'm not comparing him to Lyon. Who are your nominations for a better young British player?'"
as shown in the link, shenton (this season so far) is way ahead of gleeson
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| Quote ="Shakespeare"I'm not comparing him to Lyon. Who are your nominations for a better young British player?'"
I'd take Shenton,Yeaman and Atkins for starters. You can include it that Watkins at Leeds too , he looks a top prospect.
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| Come off it. Gleeson may not be an attractive proposition for off-field reasons, but he is a top notch centre. Some of those players have a lot of potential but they're not in Gleeson's league yet. Atkins never will be. Yeaman had one outstanding season but has nowhere near the same amount of class.
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| Quote ="joe d saint"shenton,wheeler, watkins, maybe atkins, yeaman and a maybe a couple of others.'" None of those are anywhere near as good as Martin Gleeson - I can't imagine what on earth makes you think they are.
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"None of those are anywhere near as good as Martin Gleeson - I can't imagine what on earth makes you think they are.'"
either copious amounts of drugs or sheer idiocy
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| i would have shenton over gleeson
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| I agree. Gleeson hasn't been the same since he left Saints. Sure he's a classy player but he's not been at all consistent at Warrington and they are hardly sobbing into their special brews about him leaving, they are more concerned about the dross they seem to be being offered in return.
Shenton is a great player. If he signed for us, he would fit in straight away and his reputation would sky rocket and he would IMO be picked for England.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I agree. Gleeson hasn't been the same since he left Saints. .'"
So do I.
He has been better.
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| Quote ="saintc"So do I.
He has been better.'"
He hasn't, he's been unconsistant and hasn't looked like a GB centre.
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| Quote ="saintc"So do I.
He has been better.'"
Not sure what you mean? Are you suggesting he's a better player now than he was at Saints?
The Dire fans have often bemoaned his lack of impact, sure he's had good spells, but they all go on about his lack of interest.
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| Quote ="~ No1 Saints Fan ~"He hasn't, he's been unconsistant and hasn't looked like a GB centre.'"
His scoring and assist record suggest otherwise.
Quote ="Saddened!"Not sure what you mean? Are you suggesting he's a better player now than he was at Saints?.'"
Im suggesting at the very least he is "as good"
Quote ="Saddened!"The Dire fans have often bemoaned his lack of impact, sure he's had good spells,.'"
Thats the problem with fans, most are thick. They dont look at the facts and just randomly lash out at certain players. They hated Henry Faafilli and yet he's one of their most prolific try scorers (outside Gleeson strangely) and a site better than what they have now.
Saints fans are the same, they bizzarly think that certain players are worse just because they have left despite having no factual basis.
FWIW, Gleesons try per game ratio is about the same at both clubs and his assist rate per game better at Wire. Its marginal for both, but he has performed no worse at Wire and arguably better.
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| Quote ="saintc"His scoring and assist record suggest otherwise.
Im suggesting at the very least he is "as good"
Thats the problem with fans, most are thick. They dont look at the facts and just randomly lash out at certain players. They hated Henry Faafilli and yet he's one of their most prolific try scorers (outside Gleeson strangely) and a site better than what they have now.
Saints fans are the same, they bizzarly think that certain players are worse just because they have left despite having no factual basis.
FWIW, Gleesons try per game ratio is about the same at both clubs and his assist rate per game better at Wire. Its marginal for both, but he has performed no worse at Wire and arguably better.'"
He's gone from being a small cog in a big machine to a major cog in a small machine, of course his stats are up, he was their only strike player for a few seasons.
I also can't believe you're actually defending Fa'afili. He conceded 2 tries to every one he scored.
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| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"He's gone from being a small cog in a big machine to a major cog in a small machine, of course his stats are up, he was their only strike player for a few seasons.
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So?
His performance still hasnt dropped as some on here has suggested
Quote ="Billinge_Lump"I also can't believe you're actually defending Fa'afili. He conceded 2 tries to every one he scored.'"
Roughly translated as the I dont agree with the facts so I will make some bobbins up to suit. I'd like to see where you got your 2 for 1 offer from.
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| Warrington only ever did one thing under Cullen, and that was Lee Briers would get the ball and then every single time he would look for Gleeson. Maybe this is why his stats are up, were as at Saints we had plenty of players that could break the line, and didn't have to go to Gleeson every time, the work was more shared than it is at Warrington.
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| Quote ="saint billy"Warrington only ever did one thing under Cullen, and that was Lee Briers would get the ball and then every single time he would look for Gleeson. Maybe this is why his stats are up, were as at Saints we had plenty of players that could break the line, and didn't have to go to Gleeson every time, the work was more shared than it is at Warrington.'"
That is likely, he has done alot more work and he was for along time their only attacking option. On the other hand, teams should have gone looking for him and taking out the game, if they did this, and he still improved, he did very well.
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"That is likely, he has done alot more work and he was for along time their only attacking option. On the other hand, teams should have gone looking for him and taking out the game, if they did this, and he still improved, he did very well.'"
Its hard to take a player out of the game, unless you go and deliberately hurt them. You can't really put several players on them, as this then leave your team open in other areas. I suppose you could move up faster and put more pressure on him, but even then i don't think it would effect someone like Gleeson too much as he has very fast footwork anyway. Teams would have pin pointed him as there Warringtons biggest threat, but i fail to see how they could have took him out the game.
Anyway, any good player should be able to handle extra pressure as any team will want to take the oppositions best players out of the game, but its very hard to do that, IMO.
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| Quote ="saintc"So?
His performance still hasnt dropped as some on here has suggested'"
Maybe not as much, but it has dropped from his time with us. That may be due to a number of factors, lack of discipline, worse team mates, etc. but he isn't the player he was.
Quote Roughly translated as the I dont agree with the facts so I will make some bobbins up to suit. I'd like to see where you got your 2 for 1 offer from.'"
What facts? Your opinion that he's better than Matt King or Chris Hicks? If that's the case why isn't he still plying his trade in SL? Maybe they looked at his whole game rather than just his try scoring? Can you show me why my 2 for 1 offer is bobbins?
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| Quote ="Billinge_Lump" Can you show me why my 2 for 1 offer is bobbins?'"
I think you will find that the onus is on you to show me that HF costed his team twice as many trys as he scored. Until you can do that, it is bobbins.
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| Quote ="saintc"I think you will find that the onus is on you to show me that HF costed his team twice as many trys as he scored. Until you can do that, it is bobbins.'"
I think you will find that there is no onus on me in the slightest, I'd like to know what facts I disliked.
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| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"I think you will find that there is no onus on me in the slightest, I'd like to know what facts I disliked.'"
until you show your claim to be factually correct then it is bobbins.
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| You only have to look at his performances for GB to see that his level of consistency isn't that same as what it was when he was at Saints.
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| Quote ="Blobbynator"You only have to look at his performances for GB to see that his level of consistency isn't that same as what it was when he was at Saints.'"
my good friend, you cant judge consistency off a 3 match series !!!
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| Quote ="saintc"my good friend, you cant judge consistency off a 3 match series !!!'"
He's played more than 3 matches for GB since his arrival at Warrington.
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| Quote ="Blobbynator"He's played more than 3 matches for GB since his arrival at Warrington.'"
but you play a 3 matches in a completely different side to what you are used to then thats it for another year. I'd judge his consistency on what he does week in week out and he has done well for Warrington.
His season in 05 was outstanding, possibly his best. From 05 - 07 his winger outside him scored over 20 a season in each of those seasons.
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