Oh you were being sarcastic were you? (As if I didn't know that)

Put your glasses on and get real.

Oh dear God, please... Oh my poor aching sides....















Oh, oh, oh.... Please, please, [iplease[/i do the "McIllorum is better than Roby" one as well... or "it's better to rent a stadium than own one"... or "it's great being a 7-toed, 3-headed inbred mutant with a pie fetish and ridiculous opinions"... that one [ireally[/i cracks me up...

"Carmont better than Newlove"....















Ow, ow, ow... I think I need surgery now....

"Tony Kay was a better centre than Kevin Iro, Dean Bell and Tuigamala combined"

See? I can do it too!!!

Newlove scored 36 tries in 27 matches in 1996 when we won the title. That's probably about as many tries as Carmont has scored in his entire Wigan career.

And before you mention centre play, have a think about how may tries Anthony Sullivan scored alongside Newlove. I remember Newlove putting him in for 5 walk ins in one game alone.

p.s. how old are you? Serious question as I can only imagine you didn't watch Newlove destroy players throughout the 90s in a way that Carmont never has.

Cue response about reeling people in, although I fear this was actually your genuine opinion.

Agreed.

This post has got to be a joke?

Newlove was worldclass, without a shadow of doubt!

He was top class for us and worth every single penny we paid for him. He had pace, size, power, good little step and a great hand off.

He not only did it for saints but was also top class at international level.

The day you actually take serious anything this clown has to say is the day you should pack in watching rugby league and go and join a monastery.

Agreed

I am prepared to take the flak for this post, but I always thought Newlove under performed far too many times for him to be rated world class. My opinion for what its worth.

Newlove was Great Britain quality but I don't think I ever considered him to be the best in the world.

There are some monstrously, seriously clueless numpties who post on here, but this guy has just raised the bar for one-eyed idiot uneducated opinion to truly Olympian heights...

I mean.... "Carmont better than Newlove"... FFS.... What do you have to be packing in the brain department to possibly be able to believe that... How utterly, utterly self-deluded do you have to be? He's probably a better player [inow[/i than ****ing Carmont is....



Maybe not quite, but at his best he wasn't far off and only Judas was even remotely in the same class for a long time in the '90s. He would have got caps for Australia at his peak no question and there've only been a handful of British players who you can claim that of over the last 30 years. He was never quite the same after the injury but he was still a top, top player.

We need a clown smiley!!!! Just for those special people....

Newlove was more than just a player. He was an art form. The most balanced centre (for his size) this country has produced in decades. He possessed a lethal fend, poetically fluid lateral movement and if he got outside his opposite number you could pretty much bank on either a try or a lengthy break.

Prior to his arrival Saints had built up a pretty competitive side but we lacked the kind of cutting edge that turned a tough away game at Castleford into a cakewalk.

Newlove provided that in spades and his presence kick-started our lengthy run of success. His contribution to our first championship was, well ... total.

Ironically, Newlove's arrival also began the Bulls' extended period of dominance. Nickle, Dwyer and Loughlin (plus a truckload of cash) transformed them into a very competitive outfit which was built upon successfully.

That transfer really did crack the competition wide open.

According to the sun newspaper (yeah i know)
He's signed for us on a 3 year deal.

My understanding of him leaving he just asnt settled at saints.
No disrespect to saints (my 2nd team) some players think the grass is greener, unfortunatly this is not always the case.

Sounds utterly unbelievable, but probably quite true. What on earth are we doing with recruitment? Is Brown the one making these calls?

If that report is true we're letting him go for nothing, despite having 12 months on his contract and him being an English international centre AND contributing to his salary for the first year. Say what you want about him not having fulfilled his potential but he is NOT a player we need to cut at all costs, like this report suggests we are. If true, and I stress the if, it seems daft. Especially as it would leave us with only one established centre in the squad again, and that's if Turner signs. I know you lot still believe the myth that is Gary Wheeler, but it's not a good place to be in, given that Wheeler will miss at least half the games next season.

Why not keep Shenton and look to offload Lance Hohaia?

Because Shenton is an in-demand player who most SL clubs would want in their squad and Hohaia probably isn't...



Yup - which is why Wigan were so desperate to try and prevent it from happening by basically offering to give us Mather for next to nothing so we'd stand aside and leave them to sign him instead.

Love the criticism of Carmont on here. Hilarious.

I suggest you watch Carmont in the exiles game or the WCC from last season, you will see a truly world class player. Carmont hasn't played as well this year but last season he was playing at a level that Newlove never reached.

Newlove was always way behind Connolly, he was a decent enough player but not world class.

Can we ban this troll now? He can't mean that

Oh ****, there isn't just one of them - there's an entire army of deluded clueless pies out there... That's what centuries of inbreeding does for you...

It's just a bit too funny to ban really. I would suggest Rouges has found an agent to peddle his wears for him until he returns.






I don't think anyone has said Carmont was poor, far from it, but a league above Newlove, why not go the whole hog and say he is the best player wigan have ever had. They should stop wheeling out Billy Boston as their banner man every other match and wheel out Carmont instead as he is obviously head and shoulders above the greats.

Shenton & Jake Webster will be 3 and 4 for Cas next year. Arundel off to Hull (cheaper option than Shenton).

Goodness knows I've read some pretty stupid things on RLFans over the years, but the suggestion that George Carmont is or has ever been in any way better than Paul Newlove is way out in the lead.

Brown is in charge of the recruitment for us. He's identified players he wants with stand off being the main priority.

He's already got two of the players he wanted.

I also know he's told McManus of players he's happy to let go. Shenton is one of them.

How many are we talking? Major clearout or just a couple?

I only know of four