Utter rubbish that!

You don't only take 8 drives when your down to 14 players. Why on earth would you save a player and ask him not to take the ball up when your in trenches? That's when players dig deep for each other and over exert themselves.

Worst excuse I've ever seen in my life.

Okay, let's suppose for a second he had doubled his count and taken it up 16 times, as opposed to 8. But his defensive stats take the hit for that and he misses 3 simple one on one tackles, all of which lead to tries. Final score 32-30.

I'd want him to work within the defensive line before the luxury of him taking the ball up... That's not an excuse, that's thinking about the team as a whole, how it operates, and how losing that much of the bench affects how different player play...

Why wouldn't we tell any of the other props to not do any work? Why just Mose?

Did they also tell him not to tackle as much as the other players?

Every forward who didn't get hurt and go off injured made more tackle?

The other prop on the field is Richards, who isn't an impact prop, and much more like a long minute meter eater (at least from what I've seen so far) - who will, for many years to come hopefully, be playing 60 minutes a match, and thus can operate as he would before the bench issues arose.

Mose on the other hand is an impact prop, who might of otherwise had 3 spells on the bench to recharge and recover, before returning for said impact. That wasn't an option, hence his game had to change. I would bet you a lot, he'd of been asked to do a lot more defensive work if he'd of been out on his feet owing to him taking more ball up.

Im constantly told he's not a impact prop tho?


So now he is a impact prop. What impact does he give us?


Wasn't a impact last week against hudds tho was he? Sure you was creaming over the big mins he put in.

I won't be convinced he's been a success this year as he's not, he's admitted it him self he's not been great. He also said he's still learning which I find weird in the fact he's 25, played in the NRL and played in World Cup for Samoa.

I'll give him time to settle (Walsh and Amor settled easy enough) but I'm pretty sure we've signed a pudding. I hope I'm wrong but I'm not holding my breath.

I don't think I said once he played big minutes vs Huddersfield - he played very well, and led our pack superbly (as the stats showed) but, he was subbed multiple times, and allowed to play his natural game.

He's about as much an impact prop as Alex walmsley is - given the two different opinions of Mose and Alex, their stats are pretty similar, yet no body complains about Alex's lack of impact.

Pete please use this post as reference to how Mose played. He was always available to take the ball but was used as a dummy runner a lot of the time. This is not his fault but the fault of the play-makers and their decision not to give him the ball.

I know you have, we all do

it's okay, we all take irrational dislikes to some players! Mine was Tony Stewart (and Stanley Gene from other teams)

25 is still incredibly young for a prop, and the same as Alex Walmsley, who also still has masses to learn. Having the self awareness that you need to do better is half the problem usually, so for him to come out and say he needs to do better, gives me confidence he will. Whether it's this year, I don't know - there are signs there, and he's certainly much better than when he started.

Also, settling takes different time for different types of players - it took Sia a year!

And the previous 10 games he played ?


It just irritates me how people can (including me) can call LMS this year but let Mose get off lightly. Also laffranchi was tore apart last season and Mose no better than him either.

The guy is huge and I mean mega huge! He's mobile for someone so big but can't break out of a paper bag. He doesn't or can't make one on one tackles, he always 3rd man.

Why would Mose make a statement about not playing well enough and underestimating super league if he's playing as well as some on here suggest?


Seems one of them players that don't get the stick for being poor because he's the happy go lucky big Samoan.

I don't dislike Mose one little bit. I like him and thought he'd be a great signing. I'm basing these posts on his on filed performances and I think it's only fair he takes the stick with the likes of LMS and Turner who he's on par with.


To be fair to sia, he had awful injuries in the first season and a half.

Just because I disagree with your continued complaints with him doesn't mean I think he was a top 3 player this week, or that there aren't improvement to be made with his game. In fact, I can agree with him that he has more to give, and disagree with you constantly having him in your crosshairs.

He was poor when he was unfit. He's got fitter, and looks better for it. He relied on others to do the work, he recognised that and put in a performance against Huddersfield. He could of done so again, had we not had so many injured (and was doing early doors so I'm told) - but couldn't play his natural game. That doesn't make him a terrible player. There have been signs that he will continue improving and kick on to be a force, it might be this year, it might be next. If were having the same argument at the end of next year, I'll concede your right. But he's also out of contract then, so well all more on...

That also doesn't mean his attitude is 1000x better than lms - who iirc has NEVER come out and said he needs to do better - nor have I seen him hide yet (struggle to keep up yes, hide no) - which is a big difference. I think people who call laffranchi out are wrong, and will argue the point on that as well.

He's made the same number of tackles and 200 metres and 20 carries less than walmsley over the course of the year so far. This is with no preseason (which yes, isn't an excuse for his performances now, but did when he was first coming into the team) - yet nobody compares Alex to turner and lms. So on field, he's not that far behind one of our players of the year so far (I chose Alex because they are similar style props) who only top trumps him by a long way in tackle busts (and that's because Alex is much better at isolating defenders, which isn't Moses game, who just runs straight and sucking 3/4 defenders in)

Turner has been in poor form, but recognises that (as Mose also has) - lms is another discussion for another day (and has given no recognition!)

I think some fans on here are now being over critical with the usual players of Wello, Wilkin, Turner, Mose, LMS. This Saints forum is getting more like the bitch fest of VT.
We have not been performing to the best of our ability through various reasons, injuries, attitutude, bad luck, individual form yet we are top of superleague and it looks as though we will finish in the top 4.
Perhaps we should avoid all this repetitive negativity on individual players.

Sorry mate but he isn't on par with LMS at all. Not wanting to go over what SaintsFan has been saying but you're making comments like this when you haven't seen his last couple of performances. To say he can't break out of a paper bag is nonsense and if you had seen his last couple of performances then you wouldn't be making comments like that.

We're starting to see glimpses of what Mose is capable of and he will only get better this year barring injuries. I just want to start seeing the big smile after a big hit or blockbusting run. I think we're not too far away.

How many times do I have to post this!

I've stated in my posts that I can only go on the games I've seen him and go off the stats I've seen on the two games Ive missed! I've stated this very clearly!

So under yours and her rules, people can only post on here if they went the games? If so, this board will be pretty empty. I also feel for the people who can't afford to go the games or can't get time off work as under yours and her rules can't post.

What does our mod (bewareofshadows) think who doesn't attend the games and often listens on the radio?

I have never stated you can't give opinions, chill out. Nor have I attempted to create any "rules" so stop being so childish about it.

All I'm saying is that you making comments about someone without having seen his better performances. Your comments are therefore inaccurate and it's no wonder that folk will naturally pull you up on what you're saying. Giving your opinion on the performances you have seen is one thing, but making false statements about him and chastising other people for not criticising him is another thing altogether!

So if he made 20 runs and was in the right position to take the ball in on each of those occasions and only got the ball passed to him on 8 of those - whose fault is it that he has only made 8 carries?

Some good news, tommy mak has been cleared from scans, and he should be "fine in a week or two" - as according to his twitter

Which in reality that happens, quite a few games this season the "playmakers" have took the wrong options, I've seen plenty of instances where Mose has got a bit of space only for the ball to be switched to the other side.
We use to do it a lot with Shenton, never got the right ball and when he did there was no space for him to take advantage.
What I can't understand is that Walsh should know how to play Mose with set plays, I don't know if Mose has been instructed to play a certain way to graft for hard yards.

He does. Did you not see the set play that gave Wello his second try on Friday? That involved Mosoe. They'd tried it once before in the match but it broke down. Sometimes the opposition get in the way.

I know he does it with Walmsley a few times and Roby via LMS or Franki. Maybe its bad timing,positioning or misread, I think what we have to remember is that he has only played about 10 games so far so its still very much work in progress.

In the absence of LMS, Walmsley and Lefrank he pretty much only had Mosoe to use. It was the ideal set play for that moment, and it worked. Mosoe's contribution was to turn his back on the defence, taking the ball from Walsh and passing it back to Walsh who passed it on to Wello who scored. I don't know the name of the move but every team does it at some point in a match.

I like mose. I liked him when he was getting fitness. I liked him when he was barn storming last week. I can only comment on the stats on this game. Which look less impressive. I'd have him in my team at present. But whilst I saw the London Bradford and huddersfield games. I did not see the Warrington or Salford game. I did hear the Salford game and said who I thought sounded like they had good games. But I've kept my own counsel since as I don't care in most cases what others think. I do think we all over analyize as we call it a crisis when we look unlikely to win a trophy. We as most would call first a good achievement. But that is about expectations. Which I think applies to mose. I was not expecting more than I've seen. In fact I expected less.