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| Our home form this season without Chris Kendall as Ref 100% win rate
Our home form with Chris Kendall as Ref 0% rate
Our form overall without Chris Kendall as ref 46% win rate , not great I know but we are not a great team
Our form overall with Chris Kendall as ref 0% win rate.
Child as ref 3 wins out of 4
Thaler as ref 1 win out of 4
Hicks as ref 2 wins out of 4
Mikalauskas 0 wins out of 1
I know you can make anything out of statistics so I made this.
This season has been pretty dire and not because of the refs its because we are pretty dire although improving I think, but it would be nice to avoid Chris Kendall at home
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| And there was me thinking we were just Rubbish.
It's not Kendall that drops the ball cold with nobody around him.
It's not Kendall that misses an easy read in defence that allows someone to stroll in.
It's not Kendall that flops on third man in to give a way a needless penalty on the 4th or 5th.
It's not Kendall that kicks the ball into the front row under no pressure and wastes a good opportunity again.
I could go on but we need to start controlling what we can control and not looking for excuses.who refs the games is of little relevance or it should be; the attitude has improved last few games and if we only start doing the basics better we will go a long way to getting the right side of tight games on a regular basis.
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| We won't get Kendall this Sunday at least, as for some stupid reason he is the face of the game on Sky every week. Worst ref in a long time.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"We won't get Kendall this Sunday at least, as for some stupid reason he is the face of the game on Sky every week. Worst ref in a long time.'"
I agree he is the worst ref in a long time and weve been unlucky enough to get him 6 times 4 at home. I'm not a ref basher , I ignore them most of the time and watch the game but this guy gives strange decisions I just don't even attempt to understand.
Let me make it clear though HE IS NOT WHY WE ARE NEAR THE BOTTOM , I just thought from those stats I put up he certainly doesn't help
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| We are our own worst enemy. Like Biff has said, he isnt the one dropping the balls etc.
Yes we don't seem to get the rub of the green, but we only notice these when we are pump and are clinging onto any hope. If we were dropping balls and winning as it does happen then nobody would care.
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| I had to chuckle when Peter Smith posted the headline “Leeds fate is in their own hands”. I can’t have been the only one to think we would drop it...
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| Until Ganson goes and the RFL put a proper Officials structure in place it wont improve.
At least under Gregg Mcallum they faced consequences for poor performances now they are all untouchable.
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"Until Ganson goes and the RFL put a proper Officials structure in place it wont improve.
At least under Gregg Mcallum they faced consequences for poor performances now they are all untouchable.'"
Completely agree. We had it all right at one point, and then went away from it. Ganson was never liked by his fellow officials when he was a ref, as he never listened to any of them and was arrogant as they all called him. How he is deemed fit enough to run them these days I do not know. I would have someone running them who actually wasn't a ref to be honest, and go with someone who has experience in the game as the main priority.
The move to full time officials, was the start of the massive regression we have seen since to now. It should have been the oppossite, but has been a complete failure, due to nobody held to account for mistakes.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Completely agree. We had it all right at one point, and then went away from it. Ganson was never liked by his fellow officials when he was a ref, as he never listened to any of them and was arrogant as they all called him. How he is deemed fit enough to run them these days I do not know. I would have someone running them who actually wasn't a ref to be honest, and go with someone who has experience in the game as the main priority.
The move to full time officials, was the start of the massive regression we have seen since to now. It should have been the oppossite, but has been a complete failure, due to nobody held to account for mistakes.'"
Given how important it is, maybe the RFL//SL should "sign" some talent from Down Under to help raise standards a bit. I do think there are a couple of promising young referees actually, but some are poor.
This could all be part of my master plan where the NRL buys the game out over here and invests a bit.
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| Kendall is just an awful ref regardless of which team you follow. Unfortunate for Leeds that he taken charge of so many games this year.
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| I have seen four times this year a guy called Tom Grant (think that was his name), once in Super League, and three championship matches. He was excellent, and I mean excellent, in all four. How is this lad held back reffing Championship most weeks, and our full time ones keep making errors each week and nothing changes?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"We won't get Kendall this Sunday at least, as for some stupid reason he is the face of the game on Sky every week. Worst ref in a long time.'"
Kendall is the worst. The thing that really annoys me about him is his lack of rapport or relationship with the players. Something Thaler and Hicks do quite well occasionally.
Kendall loves a “DONT SPEAK TO ME LIKE THAT OR YOU WILL BE SAT DOWN” or like the other night he had a word with two players and one he said “Look at me, look at me, look at me when im talking to you” and the other, who was pulling his socks up, “stand up and look at me”. Just get on with it man. Hes very authoritarian, which yes you have to be, but his comes with extreme arrogance.
And I also know, for a fact, hes a massive Bulls fan and hates Leeds with a passion. Unfortunately, no matter how much we think refs are unbias, it will always be in the back of their consciousness their disdain for certain teams.
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| Quote ="Rhinoshaund III"Kendall is the worst. The thing that really annoys me about him is his lack of rapport or relationship with the players. Something Thaler and Hicks do quite well occasionally.
Kendall loves a “DONT SPEAK TO ME LIKE THAT OR YOU WILL BE SAT DOWN” or like the other night he had a word with two players and one he said “Look at me, look at me, look at me when im talking to you” and the other, who was pulling his socks up, “stand up and look at me”. Just get on with it man. Hes very authoritarian, which yes you have to be, but his comes with extreme arrogance.
And I also know, for a fact, hes a massive Bulls fan and hates Leeds with a passion. Unfortunately, no matter how much we think refs are unbias, it will always be in the back of their consciousness their disdain for certain teams.'"
He's a big Huddersfield Town fan and has had digs at Leeds Utd in the past so probably hates everything Leeds. He's fast becoming the new Russell Smith for us.
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| Bit of an aside but I remember the days when refs could not officiate matches involving their home town club. I knew John Holdsworth's nephew who told me that he (JH) hated Leeds with a passion but never reffed them because of the home town rule.
Next thing you know he suddenly became Mr Holdsworth of "Kippax" and made us suffer accordingly.
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| Refs do best they can. They are humans and the speed of the games make it difficult.
It's very rare a referee impacts the result of a game in my opinion.
People over react about refs. If the ref makes a mistake defend the following set it's that simple.
At Saints on Fri I had a lad behind me who was giving himself a heart attack that we was getting robbed by the ref ffs. Some people are morons.
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| spot on. bias talk is rubbish.
he is simply crap no matter who he refs
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| The thread is called inconsistencies but I totally disagree, it should be consistency.
We are crap, Kendall is crap. Together our games are crap every time.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Refs do best they can. They are humans and the speed of the games make it difficult.
It's very rare a referee impacts the result of a game in my opinion.
People over react about refs. If the ref makes a mistake defend the following set it's that simple.
At Saints on Fri I had a lad behind me who was giving himself a heart attack that we was getting robbed by the ref ffs. Some people are morons.'"
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| I agree that refs generally are focused upon too much, they need to get rid of the 'ref commentary' on sky for a start. That said, Kendall is consistently exceptionally crap regardless of who's playing and that's more an issue with any entertainment left in the game when he's done with it rather than the outcome of games.
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| Quote ="Seth"I agree that refs generally are focused upon too much, [size=150=#FF0000they need to get rid of the 'ref commentary' on sky for a start.[/size That said, Kendall is consistently exceptionally crap regardless of who's playing and that's more an issue with any entertainment left in the game when he's done with it rather than the outcome of games.'"
This, this and thrice this.
Captain Calamity Cummings was brought in to explain the rules to the layman but the amount of fog platting he will go through to defend an obvious and blatant mistake is horrendous, hes also about as interesting as a wet fart.
Sky needs to get with the times and get a bit more "pizzazz" , they are deffo moving in the correct direction but getting rid of Cummings is an easy fix to instantly improve things, there are far too many people vying for attention on the mike.
As for blaming refs? they will inevitably go with the team who has momentum, we very rarely are in the ascendancy or have consistent momentum so we are on the wrong end of the stick, this is down to us. I have noticed that a certain team who usually have tremendous form for blaming refs are suddenly quiet as mice now they are currently purring and destroying teams. They just cant see the correlation that if you are in the ascendancy in a game, thus have the momentum you will inevitably get the calls, bend your back, reap the rewards.
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| Quote ="Holmes"Bit of an aside but I remember the days when refs could not officiate matches involving their home town club. I knew John Holdsworth's nephew who told me that he (JH) hated Leeds with a passion but never reffed them because of the home town rule.
Next thing you know he suddenly became Mr Holdsworth of "Kippax" and made us suffer accordingly.'"
Could be down to the fact he was a south Leeds boy . Possibly belle isle school, plus belle isle, hunslet and Middleton areas weren’t exactly lovers of Leeds . The allegiance would be to hunslet.
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| I don't think refs are biased against particular teams from the get go, but it can sometimes appear that way if they have an issue with a particular facet of the game e.g. laying on at the PTB. Some teams do it more than others and will get pinged more. A couple of NRL clubs who have had issues with individual refs have gone public and announcing that they are looking to meet with a particular ref to discuss 'interpretations'. What its probably more about is putting a bit of public pressure on a ref they perceive to be inherently more likely to penalise them without overtly accusing them of bias. Does it work? Dunno.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Could be down to the fact he was a south Leeds boy . Possibly belle isle school, plus belle isle, hunslet and Middleton areas weren’t exactly lovers of Leeds . The allegiance would be to hunslet.'"
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| Refs are doing a professional job they’re paid for. Their focus would primarily be on getting decisions right on the field. When you do that job every week the club allegiance thing becomes irrelevant. Incompetence is another thing.
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| Quote ="KaeruJim"Refs are doing a professional job they’re paid for. Their focus would primarily be on getting decisions right on the field. When you do that job every week the club allegiance thing becomes irrelevant. Incompetence is another thing.'"
I am not so sure about that. I think a few comments of late from that idiot Silverwood highlight a few things thought at the time. Silverwood at one point was one of our best, he was also good with us. Then something started to change, and players certainly had a thing against him, and he came up with terrible decisions against us for quite a while.
The comments seen last few weeks seem to explain a lot of that. And those errors were not honest mistakes.
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