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| Some dispicable comments on social media and to some extent on here about him.
He seems to be getting the stick because jack walker as not signed, think it's pretty dispicable that people are ganging up on him just because there new toy won't play ball.
The lads 20 in his first year as number 1 and has had some injuries this year.
I first saw the lad play against the Aussie school Boyer at 17 and he was the best player in the field. His defence this year has been world class at times, his attack needs to improve but that will come.
Get of his back.
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| Agreed - it is not his fault he is just going about his business
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| Spot on, you've got some people slamming Leeds for hanging out Walker to dry but then at the same time absolutely slating Golding with abuse. It wasn't so long ago that people were saying we needed to tie this lad down to the club because he was quality and as mentioned now they've seen a shinier newer toy they want to kick Golding to the curb.
What if we only offered him a short deal and he turned it down and Walker still didn't sign his? Golding's length of contract is an excuse from the Walker camp because it doesn't guarantee Golding will keep a starting place over that course.
And let's not forget Golding is with Show Me The Money also so the same guy got him that deal. For him to let Walker say publicly that it's Golding's length of contract that is the issue and throw him under the bus is disgusting from SMTM. Hope Golding ditches them when he can.
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| Yep. There's definitely an obsession among Leeds fans, and RL fans in general with 'the future'. We're always talking about the next player to come through the academy, We have Golding who's in his first season, and is only 20 being written off in favour of a 17 year old boy with less than 10 senior games. Golding struggled when he first came into the team, and was moved around a fair bit. He was written off after making a few mistakes last year, but he's improved out of sight, and is probably only 2nd to Hardaker in terms of defense. He has to drastically improve his attack, but he's already proven he's willing to knuckle down and work on his game, and has shown great character to come back from some of the set backs he's had to face whilst playing in a few different positions. To me, he's already shown he has all the mental and physical toughness you need to make it at this level. He's earned his place in the team, and deserves time to develop.
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| The club should not have made the announcement they did, it was wrong. That was not Ashton Golding problem, or indeed Jack Walkers. All the announcement did is put extra pressure on him now, and could have created a rift with the players, at the same time as question the attitude wrongly of another. Then at that same time they then play the lad out of position, and of course people jump on it. Fans are fickle, that's what happens. Haven't seen game to judge, but think the lad has done enough to warrant a couple of downers not to write him off.
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| Well for a young lad to have Senior's song doctored to his name says to me the fans are well and truly on his side
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| I don't get all this about Walker and Golding. Golding looked a really good player until he got injured and now because we have seen Walker what 6-7 times, everyone is now saying Golding should do this and that or is rubbish. If Golding wouldn't have got injured most wouldn't know about Walker and would be more than happy with Golding.
I don't want Walker to leave but we can easily live without him. Until 10 weeks ago he wasn't even considered a first team player. Good luck to him, am well over it, now time to get behind our future FB who will give anything for this club.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"The club should not have made the announcement they did, it was wrong. '"
Here he is, the voice of reason.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"The club should not have made the announcement they did, it was wrong. That was not Ashton Golding problem, or indeed Jack Walkers. All the announcement did is put extra pressure on him now, and could have created a rift with the players, at the same time as question the attitude wrongly of another.'"
Problem was there was some people with lips as loose as a female guest on the Jeremy Kyle show that will have forced the club to put out their side of the story.
You of all people cannot complain about the club making a statement when you've done your level best to share the details around the Leeds fan base.
Exactly one of the reasons why I criticise people for rumour spreading because you aren't helping the club or situation, only yourselves. That must be more important to you though.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"Problem was there was some people with lips as loose as a female guest on the Jeremy Kyle show that will have forced the club to put out their side of the story.
You of all people cannot complain about the club making a statement when you've done your level best to share the details around the Leeds fan base.
Exactly one of the reasons why I criticise people for rumour spreading because you aren't helping the club or situation, only yourselves. That must be more important to you though.'"
So you accept the club are unprofessional? I mean come on, it would be hypocritical to complain about someone anonymous on an internet message board for saying something, but not the club for making public statements across a wider media.
I only corrected what others were wrongly saying. That's a big difference. I think the clubs position was aimed more at an agent than a player, but didn't think it through on the outcome of players.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"So you accept the club are unprofessional? I mean come on, it would be hypocritical to complain about someone anonymous on an internet message board for saying something, but not the club for making public statements across a wider media.
I only corrected what others were wrongly saying. That's a big difference. I think the clubs position was aimed more at an agent than a player, but didn't think it through on the outcome of players.'"
I accept the club was forced into a position because of rumours being circulated around, you being a chief culprit.
Honestly what do you think you were going to achieve by spreading details of meetings around the Leeds fan base?
You more than anybody are responsible for the action Leeds took and you go then criticise them for doing it? Are you honestly deluded? Do you think showing that you're 'In The Know' is more important than the club?
All you've done in this saga is make the situation worst and the thing is you don't even realise it. You think you're providing some sort of service spreading this stuff.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"I accept the club was forced into a position because of rumours being circulated around, you being a chief culprit.
Honestly what do you think you were going to achieve by spreading details of meetings around the Leeds fan base?
You more than anybody are responsible for the action Leeds took and you go then criticise them for doing it? Are you honestly deluded? Do you think showing that you're 'In The Know' is more important than the club?
All you've done in this saga is make the situation worst and the thing is you don't even realise it. You think you're providing some sort of service spreading this stuff.'"
Hang on a minute here, come off the high horse and explain. Let's go back a step. The club put an announcement out on Wednesday yes? This was after final negotiations, in their view, with a player. The same announcement about previous discussions of two months ago.
On here over weeks before that announcement, it was stated that his agent is touting him around, after an initial derisory offer from the club, and as a result had four other offers that could not be made personally to the player until August, but had to be through his agent. With that came discussion of skills development.
What in those so called "rumours" would warrant any professional club to make an announcement? Especially considering as you well know, the announcement wasn't about that, it was about the final offer they have made and so called demands at that which not only effect the player "allegedly" asking, but another none related player.
Nothing was said on that final meeting on this board or any other message board, until the club made their announcement.
Come on, pretty poor form to declare the club was forced to do something because the fact their original mistake was put out there, made them do something else. I don't think for one minute you really believe that. This thread was about Golding and the issue with fickle fans having a go. The point is still clear, the club highlighted that by the way it handled its business. Do you really believe people would be having a go about Golding had the club just kept its business in house? Please remember this board is a minority of Rhinos supporters out there, a lot at games don't even know of its existence.
All we need now is the next poster who set up a thread last year calling for Golding never to play in a shirt again coming in as usual.
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| Golding returning a kick this season has almost always led to negative yards after contact. I'd rather bin off Briscoe and see if Golding can earn a place on the wing.... and keep Jack Walker at FB.
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| Quote ="Toosmooth"Golding returning a kick this season has almost always led to negative yards after contact. I'd rather bin off Briscoe and see if Golding can earn a place on the wing.... and keep Jack Walker at FB.'"
I have to disagree with you here. He makes fast yards in return, just like Walker also. Where he lets himself down is that he then tends to then run sideways, which is where he then loses out in the contact.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Hang on a minute here, come off the high horse and explain. Let's go back a step. The club put an announcement out on Wednesday yes? This was after final negotiations, in their view, with a player. The same announcement about previous discussions of two months ago.
On here over weeks before that announcement, it was stated that his agent is touting him around, after an initial derisory offer from the club, and as a result had four other offers that could not be made personally to the player until August, but had to be through his agent. With that came discussion of skills development.
What in those so called "rumours" would warrant any professional club to make an announcement? Especially considering as you well know, the announcement wasn't about that, it was about the final offer they have made and so called demands at that which not only effect the player "allegedly" asking, but another none related player.
Nothing was said on that final meeting on this board or any other message board, until the club made their announcement.
Come on, pretty poor form to declare the club was forced to do something because the fact their original mistake was put out there, made them do something else. I don't think for one minute you really believe that. This thread was about Golding and the issue with fickle fans having a go. The point is still clear, the club highlighted that by the way it handled its business. Do you really believe people would be having a go about Golding had the club just kept its business in house? Please remember this board is a minority of Rhinos supporters out there, a lot at games don't even know of its existence.
All we need now is the next poster who set up a thread last year calling for Golding never to play in a shirt again coming in as usual.'"
Do I think people would still be having a go at Golding? Yes because I've seen it even before Leeds' statement
Yes this board is only a certain amount of Leefs fans, but what do you think those people do when they read your rumours? They tell friends or mention it on FB or Twitter for hundreds of others to see and it spread......that's how rumours work!
Leeds could keep it in house if Walker and his agent could, they clearly didn't and you're a prime example of that.
And you say "nothing was said in that final meeting"....: how the f**k do you know you weren't in those meetings! You're taking a 17 year olds version of events as gospel, and I'm not saying he's lying but obviously his version of how events unfolded are going to be weighted in his favour and against the club,
For some reason you cannot see this. Let me say this, at your work if you were in a key meeting and you didn't see eye to eye or disagreed with the other person, if you both came out and told your side of the story do you honestly believe their wouldn't be a significant variation between the two stories with the reality laying somewhere in the middle?
You seem to think Walker's version is absolutely nailed on 100% reality and it won't be.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"
And you say "nothing was said in that final meeting"....: how the f**k do you know you weren't in those meetings! You're taking a 17 year olds version of events as gospel, and I'm not saying he's lying but obviously his version of how events unfolded are going to be weighted in his favour and against the club,
For some reason you cannot see this. Let me say this, at your work if you were in a key meeting and you didn't see eye to eye or disagreed with the other person, if you both came out and told your side of the story do you honestly believe their wouldn't be a significant variation between the two stories with the reality laying somewhere in the middle?
You seem to think Walker's version is absolutely nailed on 100% reality and it won't be.'"
Printer, chill out here mate, you are letting your obsession with arguing get in the way of clear thinking, and I was not looking to argue with you.
Firstly there is no mention of "nothing is said in that final meeting", read again, it clearly says "nothing was said ON that final meeting" on this board or any other message board, until the club made their announcement. This is the case in point of why the argument you are trying to make, has no foundation. Although, honestly mate, if you can show anything said before that announcement about that final meeting, then please show it, and I will very publically apologise, and to anyone else personally.
Again all what was said before that annoucement, was the derisory offer made, the offer turned down, and his agent touting him about, and how that agent was having too much influence. That announcement from the club confirmed an initial meeting two months earlier, but centred on the player turning down their latest offer only last week. So what so called "rumours" were the club defending themselves against? Has any Super League club ever come out publically to discuss a seventeen year old turning down a contract with a club?
I would like to point out, that long term, the move the club made might end up working, but nobody can tell me it was anything other than unprofessional. And that does not matter who the player is. But you seem to have an Obsession with what Walker says, which to be honest are quite irrelevant to the point made.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Printer, chill out here mate, you are letting your obsession with arguing get in the way of clear thinking, and I was not looking to argue with you.
Firstly there is no mention of "nothing is said in that final meeting", read again, it clearly says "nothing was said ON that final meeting" on this board or any other message board, until the club made their announcement. This is the case in point of why the argument you are trying to make, has no foundation. Although, honestly mate, if you can show anything said before that announcement about that final meeting, then please show it, and I will very publically apologise, and to anyone else personally.
Again all what was said before that annoucement, was the derisory offer made, the offer turned down, and his agent touting him about, and how that agent was having too much influence. That announcement from the club confirmed an initial meeting two months earlier, but centred on the player turning down their latest offer only last week. So what so called "rumours" were the club defending themselves against? Has any Super League club ever come out publically to discuss a seventeen year old turning down a contract with a club?
I would like to point out, that long term, the move the club made might end up working, but nobody can tell me it was anything other than unprofessional. And that does not matter who the player is. But you seem to have an Obsession with what Walker says, which to be honest are quite irrelevant to the point made.'"
I'm very chilled out, I've simply asked a question 'what do you think you're achieving by spreading the details of meetings' around?
You've deflected away from answering this which is quite telling.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"I'm very chilled out, I've simply asked a question 'what do you think you're achieving by spreading the details of meetings' around?
You've deflected away from answering this which is quite telling.'"
Achieving by pointing out the player may well leave because of the initial offer he received, and his agent pushing him to listen to other offers. You know, exactly what happened.
What are you trying to achieve in stating the club have to defend themselves? You seem to have deflected away from this and the question of against what?
This is a message board for discussion amongst fans. If all you want to do is here about club announcements, then that is easily done by just looking at the clubs webpage. But not everything will be posted on there. On here people discuss things that will and won't be on there. I just can't see why someone would be on here if going to take an offence to it. You add your own views to many posts, so why take offence to others?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Achieving by pointing out the player may well leave because of the initial offer he received, and his agent pushing him to listen to other offers. You know, exactly what happened.
What are you trying to achieve in stating the club have to defend themselves? You seem to have deflected away from this and the question of against what?
This is a message board for discussion amongst fans. If all you want to do is here about club announcements, then that is easily done by just looking at the clubs webpage. But not everything will be posted on there. On here people discuss things that will and won't be on there. I just can't see why someone would be on here if going to take an offence to it. You add your own views to many posts, so why take offence to others?'"
And the player would've still have left regardless of your rumours, so all you did was force Leeds to tell their side of the story and now you're slamming them?
I don't mind if someone tells rumours and doesn't give a dann about the consequences, but you turning around and crying foul about Leeds' response is hypocritical.
What do you think would happen if you're out there spreading stories that portray them in a bad light?
You as a chief rumour spreader is as much to blame for how things have panned out? How can you not see that? You keep your mouth shut and this could've stayed in house at the club,.
But being in the know was more important to you so don't cry foul about the response.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"And the player would've still have left regardless of your rumours, so all you did was force Leeds to tell their side of the story and now you're slamming them?
I don't mind if someone tells rumours and doesn't give a dann about the consequences, but you turning around and crying foul about Leeds' response is hypocritical.
What do you think would happen if you're out there spreading stories that portray them in a bad light?
You as a chief rumour spreader is as much to blame for how things have panned out? How can you not see that? You keep your mouth shut and this could've stayed in house at the club,.
But being in the know was more important to you so don't cry foul about the response.'"
Am I really that so important that not only are people on here obsessed with me, but now the actual club will only respond to what I say? Is that really true . Do you not realise how ridiculous this sounds?
I am going to ask again, what were the rumours posted before that announcement that made them have to come out with a public announcement?
Have you actually read the announcement? All written by the Leeds club, but yet the last statement says it all. "I want to stay at Leeds, but I owe it to myself to listen to all offers". That is what was said, backed up by Leeds. This after these do called damaging "rumours" you are saying happened. Leeds made a revised offer in a second meeting, as confirmed in their own announcement. So again how did so called "rumours" mean he would have left anyway, even before this second meeting?
I am been clear here, there was nothing said before that announcement that was in anyway damaging on the Leeds club, none at all. But again I ask you, and for a third time, if you really think that then show what they were, and you will have my apology.
You have taken a thread about Ashton Golding, and defending the lad, and made into something else on an argument that simply makes no sense.
I'll hold my hands up and say yes I will post what I hear or told if it makes you feel better. But spinning it anyway you like here, there is absolutely nothing you can put as inaccurate at all with this at my door.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Am I really that so important that not only are people on here obsessed with me, but now the actual club will only respond to what I say?'"
Can someone call the English language police please.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Am I really that so important that not only are people on here obsessed with me, but now the actual club will only respond to what I say? Is that really true
. Do you not realise how ridiculous this sounds?
I am going to ask again, what were the rumours posted before that announcement that made them have to come out with a public announcement?
Have you actually read the announcement? All written by the Leeds club, but yet the last statement says it all. "I want to stay at Leeds, but I owe it to myself to listen to all offers". That is what was said, backed up by Leeds. This after these do called damaging "rumours" you are saying happened. Leeds made a revised offer in a second meeting, as confirmed in their own announcement. So again how did so called "rumours" mean he would have left anyway, even before this second meeting?
I am been clear here, there was nothing said before that announcement that was in anyway damaging on the Leeds club, none at all. But again I ask you, and for a third time, if you really think that then show what they were, and you will have my apology.
You have taken a thread about Ashton Golding, and defending the lad, and made into something else on an argument that simply makes no sense.
I'll hold my hands up and say yes I will post what I hear or told if it makes you feel better. But spinning it anyway you like here, there is absolutely nothing you can put as inaccurate at all with this at my door.'"
Are you actually that naive to not understand how rumours work? It only takes 2/3 ppl on here to see what you've put and then copy onto FB and twitter, which I have seen, for then hundreds (potentially thousands) of Leeds fans to see and then they circulate as well.
You can post whatever you want and what you hear, but if you're going to criticise the club for telling their side of the story then quite rightly you will get pulled up about it.
And yes I did read the statement, one certain part has been ignored but I think is very important......"We revisited it again last week because the lack of a commitment from Jack was becoming an issue within the squad and also affecting our planning for the future".......no one seems to cares that the club has a WHOLE squad to manage and can't spend ages waiting around for Walker to decide. Whether he stays or goes does effect other players futures so he should respect that fact.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"Are you actually that naive to not understand how rumours work? It only takes 2/3 ppl on here to see what you've put and then copy onto FB and twitter, which I have seen, for then hundreds (potentially thousands) of Leeds fans to see and then they circulate as well.
You can post whatever you want and what you hear, but if you're going to criticise the club for telling their side of the story then quite rightly you will get pulled up about it.
And yes I did read the statement, one certain part has been ignored but I think is very important......"We revisited it again last week because the lack of a commitment from Jack was becoming an issue within the squad and also affecting our planning for the future".......no one seems to cares that the club has a WHOLE squad to manage and can't spend ages waiting around for Walker to decide. Whether he stays or goes does effect other players futures so he should respect that fact.'"
I am going to start with your last point, so no confusion. I agree with you here, no arguments from me. I think it is a valid point. I don't think it makes any difference, and if Jack comes back next month they would bring the contract and pen out, but regardless the point is still correct.
That sorted. Again, is this four times now, what were these so called "rumours" that meant the club had to make an official announcement? An announcement made only after a second offer made, which was later than the so called "rumours". What are they defending themselves on? Because there is nothing in that announcement that defends themselves from the so called "rumours" you state I made before that announcement, they actually confirm them.
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