We are in desperate need of another 75 percent kicker and it's not young sutty who could still turn out to be a decent player we were spoiled rotten with sinfield winning things by his kicking we had no rights to win even last season with sinnys kicks we would have been in contention for the playoffs and it cost us against the saints fairly simple really.
Lilly should be given a decent run in the team at no 7 he might be a bit slow but with time and better coaching could become a midfield general with guidance from an accomplished no 6 or spend money on an accomplished kicker.
Suggestions?

doen't need any. you are correct

Burrow is a great kicker, not sure why we aren't utilising that though.

Don't agree at all, Sutcliffe is as good if not better. Besides, i don't think he enjoys the role.

I completely agree.

IIRC kicking was the main cause of his groin problems, so had to stop.

he kicked brilliantly v HKR. iirc 4/4 including touchline conversions. and lilley is better than both of them

We need a consistent kicker who can kick from both touch lines 4 from 4 under the sticks doesn't cut it 75 percent over the season from all over the field is required Lilley could do this with his set up routine tempremant and consistent straight kicks in my opinion sutty has a nice long kick but it is drawn (bent left) no good under pressure and as mentioned does not look to enjoy the pressure.

Didnt Sutty miss 2 off the touchline? Jeez hardly a crime and they wasnt bad efforts.

We have been spoilt rotten the last dozen years.

With ref to the last dozen years,yes we were spoilt and lucky to have had probably one of the all time great goal kickers and replacing him with the equivalent % kicker was always going to be a tough ask.but we have to go with what we have and learn to live with it as we will with his game management,organising and everything that came with him The past is the past.

Wrt Sinfield he didn't just walk into the team a great GK in fact i remember a game v Bradford at Headingley when he missed numerous "easy" kicks which lead to a section of the fan base singing there's only 1 Ben Walker.

Yes he grew into the role,because as with the rest of his game he worked hard at it and did loads of afters in training,it is unlikely we will ever replace him but as I said we go with what we have

Those dozen years include 2008 and 2009. I'm sure I don't need to tell you the Kevin 'probably one of the all time great goal kickers' Sinfield's kick % but for everyone else it was 76% and 77% respectively. Earlier you set a 75% bench mark over the course of a season to reflect kicks from all sides, all angles. An all time great kicker illustratrated in two SL winning seasons that the standard you set isn't a gimme especially for lesser standard kickers.

With that in mind care to remind everyone Sutcliffe's record in 2016 - his first in the role as the majority 1st choice kicker?

TvOc think you are confusing me with Chester I never said we need a %75 kicker just that Sinny is probably irreplaceable so we go with what we have.i would add that given our poor attack this season goal kicking will be vital in tight games,and I think we will be involved in plenty of them this year

That's what I was thinking. Those two on Friday and the one last week vs Saints were all touch line efforts so not a gimme for any kicker.

I see Lilley (nor Halas) were in the Bradford squad this weekend. Any news on if they're possibly injured?

Yes, my bad. I apologise Chestnutrhino, missed that completely I'm afraid to say.

The point stands though, this time directed to Chesterrhino. If Leeds need another 75% kicker how far away was Sutcliffe from achieving your benchmark in 2016? How many more would he have needed to equal Sinfield's % for the SL winning seasons of 2008 and 2009?

He was not used as a kicker for the full season if I recall so can't give the stats for a full season when lilley played he mostly got the duties due to his superior kicking ability and consistency
In the big matches it's the ones kicked from the touch lines that make the difference lilley can convert from the touch mostly sutty can't he has the power but not the accuracy one thing I thought is why we didn't get skinny to teach the kickers?
My post is not to critisis sutty just to point out that we needs a consistent 75 percent kicker in the team to win trophies.

Hallas has an ankle injury i think not sure about Lilley.

Sutcliffe was the majority kicker in 2016. Stats for a full season are not neccesary, he and Lilley had enough chances to establish a representative percentage. You honed in 75% being a requirement (minimum requirement even?) and I wouldn't disagree with that.

The question I'm asking you is how did Sutcliffe measure against your stated standard in his first season as the majority 1st choice pick?

I agree Lilley appears to be the more reliable kicker at this stage but is not a SL standard player (IMO) unless SL has fallen off a cliff. Encouraging news this weekend on that front thanks to Tony Smith and Shaun Wane. Perhaps it's just the standard at Leeds that is falling to mirror that of it's bargain basement coaching set up.

Yes congrats to Wigan &Wire,great wins and good performances.however we should not let it mask the general quality of super league playing and coaching.going back to the goal kicking another problem to consider is that Lilley,Sutty are not nailed on playing every week and Burrow may be spelled with Parcell so who do we turn to? Answers on a postcard McD

I'm guessing he wouldn't have needed too many more to match the Sinfield %ages you've provided, although a small number of goals added to a relatively low number will upgrade the percentage considerably.

Another consideration is the situation under which kicks are taken. Barring the odd off-day, any decent kicker should do ok when there's little pressure, e.g. cruising past middle 8 opposition. A truer test might be to look at respective stats in games where the pressure is greater, say when the winning/losing margin is 6 points or fewer, or against the bigger teams, or in playoffs or finals (might be a while until Sutty and Lilley can be compared under the latter).

My point exactly.

I think it's unlikely that we will ever find a pressure kicker as good or even close to Sinny and should not expect that of our current crop.all we can expect is a success rate up with the other top teams hopefully or am I being too optimistic?

For Sutcliffe to have made the 75% benchmark (as requested here by the OP) he would have needed to either kick one of the goals he missed or kicked two more goals without anymore misses. By either measure I don't find that particularly deficient overall in his 1st season as the majority kicker - a good base at least. Unfortunately I don't have the equivalent figures for Sinfield which would have been 2003 after taking over from Ben Walker and Sinfield had been around the 1st team squad two years longer at that point in their respective careers.



Leeds weren't involved in too many of those in their SL winning season of 2008 where Sinfield made that earlier referenced 76% overall. Just the six games qualified and he was down at 58% in those compared to 78% in the rest. Sutcliffe as kicker was in seven tight games in 2016 hitting 71% in those against 76% in the rest. No-one is going to seriously conclude the latter is a more consistent kicker in tight games though. Sinfield of course famously kicked 21 from 21 in the successful Play-Off series of 2012.

So many variables, so little time. I merely set out to highlight Sutcliffe was only a smidge away in 2016 from making the asked for standard while it was being implied he's not going to be the answer.