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| 8 - Galloway
9 - ? Faloon ?
10- Garbutt.....OR Sam Burgess?
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| Yeah I'd go along with that pretty much. Only other option perhaps Stevie Ward getting the 13 shirt.
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| Sadly I think the 11 shirt will be available for Ward.
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| Who is this Falloon? have i missed a signing announcement?
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"Who is this Falloon? have i missed a signing announcement?'"
The rumoured nine signing from Gold Coast Titans, I'd say it's between him and glen buttriss
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| Quote ="Frosties."The rumoured nine signing from Gold Coast Titans, I'd say it's between him and glen buttriss'"
Ok thanks, hopefully we can get one of the two signed up.
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| 8-Garbutt
9-Falloon/Ballin/Clarke/Houghton/Fcuk knows i'm losing track!
10-Galloway
13-Cuthbo.
If we sign one of the Burgess boys they'd get the 10 shirt also i agree with DHM i can see S.Ward in the 11 shirt next year.
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| I reckon it'll be:
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| There is still potential for a few signings. I know Leeds and Warrington have been given permission to speak to a Hull FC player, who has rejected an offer from Salford.
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| Liam Watts? Only player I can think of in a position both us and wire would require anyone
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| Quote ="HOLMES6"Liam Watts? Only player I can think of in a position both us and wire would require anyone'"
But's its Westerman who clubs have been given permission to speak to. He wants to leave.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"But's its Westerman who clubs have been given permission to speak to. He wants to leave.'"
Christ no. Please no.
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| Quote ="G1"Christ no. Please no.'"
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| Quote ="Gotcha"But's its Westerman who clubs have been given permission to speak to. He wants to leave.'"
I heard the same, we seem to have had an interest in Westerman for a while. Can't say I have been impressed with him this year and in the away game at hull he looked lazy in defence and missed a load of tackles, guess the whole Hull team were the same that night though. Can see why he would want to move though, other than the money there's not much of an attraction at Hull, maybe a move to a better club with better structures and coaching would bring out the best in him. I always thought he might be the wrong type of individual for Leeds though ?
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| He hasn't lived up to his potential this year by any stretch and doesn't seem too popular with the black and white faithful of late. The question for me would be whether his poor form was a result of being unsettled at FC or whether he has just run out of development potential. The other question would be how much he would cost. Not sure whether or not I would want him, but if Wire are in for him as well then it isn't likely to matter as they seem much more willing to take expensive punts than GH. Which is just fine in my book.
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| Galloway gets the 8, Cuthbertson the 10, Ward the 13. 9 will be dependent on who, if anyone, comes in.
The one thing I hope the club aren't tempted to do is give Sutcliffe the 13 shirt.
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| He's been average, for the most part since his last season at Cas, and from what I've heard he isn't the most professional person in the world.
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| Westerman sounds common knowledge on the Hull board apparently he does not get on with Radford and wants out, that may explain his drop in form as he was flying last year. Doubt he will come to Leeds I expect he will goe to Wire but can see the need to cover JJB who I think will retire early, can't see him coming back for half a season so I think Leeds will look after him.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"He's been average, for the most part since his last season at Cas, and from what I've heard he isn't the most professional person in the world.'"
That's not true actually. He was a good lad working hard making his way at Cas, then got in with the wrong ones. Not too dissimilar to Zak's path. Made a fool of himself, went to Hull, and has worked hard improving himself. Had two very good years at Hull and fell out with Radford this season, and wants out.
I am not saying Leeds should sign him, but he is far better than what is given credit for on here. Would be a huge improvement on what we have behind Ward and Ablett.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"
I am not saying Leeds should sign him, but he is far better than what is given credit for on here. Would be a huge improvement on what we have behind Ward and Ablett.'"
I am basing my opinion upon having watched him against us but he cannot defend at all. In our games we have targeted him with great success.
Frankly, based upon attitude and application this season I would prefer Delaney and Keinhorst.
If by some miracle he could get his career back on track then lets see but right now I don't see why Leeds would want or need to take the risk with him. Someone else might and it might pay off. Good luck to them and him.
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| Quote ="G1"I am basing my opinion upon having watched him against us but he cannot defend at all. In our games we have targeted him with great success.
Frankly, based upon attitude and application this season I would prefer Delaney and Keinhorst.
If by some miracle he could get his career back on track then lets see but right now I don't see why Leeds would want or need to take the risk with him. Someone else might and it might pay off. Good luck to them and him.'"
I totally agree. He had his chance and blew it. If he could turn it around I'd be impressed, but I can't see it, and like you say, the risk is too great for Leeds to be interested.
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| Quote ="G1"I am basing my opinion upon having watched him against us but he cannot defend at all. In our games we have targeted him with great success.
Frankly, based upon attitude and application this season I would prefer Delaney and Keinhorst.
If by some miracle he could get his career back on track then lets see but right now I don't see why Leeds would want or need to take the risk with him. Someone else might and it might pay off. Good luck to them and him.'"
I actually said behind Ward and Ablett, but if you compare to Ablett who I think has been poor defensively it kind of tells a different story. Ablett has played 31 super league games and made 772 tackles (average 25 per match), and missed 71 tackles (8.43% of the tackles he attempts). Westerman has played 22 Super League games and made 696 tackles (average 32 per match) and missed 41 tackles (5.5% of the tackles he attempts). Certainly a more impressive defensive effort than Ablett this year.
Compare to a good defender in Delaney who has played 21 super league games and made 573 tackles (average 27 per match), and missed 43 tackles (6.98% of the tackles he attempts).
I know that early season game against Hull, Westerman was poor defensively, but the cup game which isn't included in those stats above he made 50 tackles in the match and one miss. Those are not the stats of someone who can not defend. Still doesn't mean we should be signing like, but just stating the position.
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| I'm with Gotcha on this one. (Nice to see you having a regard for stats Gotcha )
Westerman had a lot of promise at Cas and I took a look at his stats for 2014 where he was 3rd highest tackler with 916 3rd highest number of carries with 488 (only JP and Roby ahead of him and he was in front of Chris Hill) He also had reasonable stats for Busts, Metres and 41 Offloads (8th. only Leeds player above him was JP with 49)
So it doesn't look like a lack of ability/technique/workrate and so more likely his drop in form is down to motivation/fitness and if so we have the coach to solve that problem. With Achurch on his way and injury doubts over JJB and Delaney it could be a prudent signing if not too expensive. Under the new structure we need strength in depth.
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| Can't say as I'm fussed about Westerman but I recognise he has some potential/talent. I'd rather we put the effort into developing in house personally if at all possible.
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